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[sime42]

On 05/07/2025 at 00:09, Johnsond said:

............. but whilst it’s being used to care for tens of thousands of illegals..........

 

On 05/07/2025 at 01:02, Johnsond said:

..... ..............The insanity of it is the fact I get the same level of treatment as an illegal immigrant arriving yesterday .............. 

 

So, back to your assertion that the NHS is being used to care for tens of thousands of illegal immigrants. Have you got any figures for that? What percentage of them access an NHS service, after arriving yesterday? It's just that the vast majority of non-indigenous people, immigrants, that I see in healthcare settings are elderly, male and female gender of equal proportion and quite often obese, to a greater or lesser extent. I.e. not the demographic of your average seafaring, rubber dinghy borne "illegal". (You'd expect fighting age males to be pretty fit and healthy after all).

I'd wager that the obesity epidemic, and lesser public health issues, are costing the NHS considerably more than immigrants. Along with private healthcare parasites sucking money out, due to creeping privatisation. What do you think we should do to combat those things? Combatting immigration won't help with them at all.

Not to mention the fact that the NHS is hugely staffed by immigrants. That's a whole other strand to the conversation. Its complicated.

 Any thoughts, care to discuss?  

 

[Johnsond]

31 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

 

So, back to your assertion that the NHS is being used to care for tens of thousands of illegal immigrants. Have you got any figures for that? What percentage of them access an NHS service, after arriving yesterday? It's just that the vast majority of non-indigenous people, immigrants, that I see in healthcare settings are elderly, male and female gender of equal proportion and quite often obese, to a greater or lesser extent. I.e. not the demographic of your average seafaring, rubber dinghy borne "illegal". (You'd expect fighting age males to be pretty fit and healthy after all).

I'd wager that the obesity epidemic, and lesser public health issues, are costing the NHS considerably more than immigrants. Along with private healthcare parasites sucking money out, due to creeping privatisation. What do you think we should do to combat those things? Combatting immigration won't help with them at all.

Not to mention the fact that the NHS is hugely staffed by immigrants. That's a whole other strand to the conversation. Its complicated.

 Any thoughts, care to discuss?  

 

Well done 42, for starters they are entitled to primary and secondary care free of charge, they are entitled to and will register at a GP practice “ which is not free by the way”. I’ll leave you to research the GP funding model. So how many came over last year or the year before or the year before that??. Calculate that figure and I guess you will have a number for those whom have accessed the NHS. I know there are medical teams providing care and support for Border  force as soon as they arrive all of which needs paying for. 

The post I put up was a general reply to Mark J about privatisation of the NHS. My position that in its current format where it’s a free for all set up ie that it’s not sustainable or fair “ my words” is imo valid. Now it was you whom went all Paxman or Walden and started demanding exact statistics and figures to compare against things like obesity and other issues etc etc. I’ve neither the time nor interest to play your statistics game as experience has taught me any answer with you will never be enough or alternatively it will be met with another handful of questions asking every minuscule detail. 
I see today the OBR is warning about the triple lock and running out of money. Maybe our focus from the very bottom up should be charity begins at home, looking after our elderly not worrying about providing wigs and interpreter’s.  Few screenshots for you 42 feel free to do a bit of digging. 

Edited July 9 by Johnsond

[Steven P]

45 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Well done 42, for starters they are entitled to primary and secondary care free of charge, they are entitled to and will register at a GP practice “ which is not free by the way”. I’ll leave you to research the GP funding model. So how many came over last year or the year before or the year before that??. Calculate that figure and I guess you will have a number for those whom have accessed the NHS. I know there are medical teams providing care and support for Border  force as soon as they arrive all of which needs paying for. 

 

 

Wow, have you been missing the copy and paste function while you've been scuba diving? That was a scroll fest of nothing.

 

Illegal immigrants:

'they are entitled to primary and secondary care free of charge'.. no they're not. Only emergency care. I assume you mean asylum seekers who are of course here legally. They only get primary care.

[Johnsond]

38 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Wow, have you been missing the copy and paste function while you've been scuba diving? That was a scroll fest of nothing.

 

Illegal immigrants:

'they are entitled to primary and secondary care free of charge'.. no they're not. Only emergency care. I assume you mean asylum seekers who are of course here legally. They only get primary care.

Hey up blagger 

You see that’s called answering a question. Any chance of that today employee 🤷‍♂️by the way aren’t you supposed to be at work not pissing  about on the internet. 

Well I guess you know better than the UK gov or the BMA. Mind that’s a bit like your “

no waste “ BS that was rapidly proven to be pure bollocks. 
 

Scuba is banned for commercial use SP under L103/104 ACOPS Ive told you that several times now, I know you like to keep repeating shite but unless you are genuinely retarded try and remember 👍👍. 
The screenshots provide enough information, ( if you are struggling slow down and read again) not sure why you feel the need to comment about that or try and bring Scuba diving into the conversation 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️. You going down the site auditor role again maybe. Apologies for stealing your role and pointing out to 42 he was on the wrong thread. I know you live for that bollocks. 
Anyway you should get back to work, remember it’s the private sector taxpayers like me that pays your wages boy. 

[Johnsond]

51 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Illegal immigrants:

'they are entitled to primary and secondary care free of charge'.. no they're not. Only emergency care. I assume you mean asylum seekers who are of course here legally. They only get primary care.Primary Care:

You ain’t doing too bad for someone who recently claimed to not respond 😂😂😂

One of those lines “ may be charged” 😂😂🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️yeah right. 

 

Everyone, including those with illegal immigration status, can register with a GP and receive free primary care services. 

 

• Secondary Care:

  • Exemptions: Refugees, asylum seekers, and those receiving Home Office support under specific sections of the Immigration and Asylum Act are generally entitled to free secondary care. 
     

  • Charging: In England, those who are not ordinarily resident and do not qualify for exemptions may be charged for secondary care services, including hospital treatment. 

[Oldfeller]

Illegal Migration Bill: overarching factsheet - GOV.UK

WWW.GOV.UK

well it all looked good on paper! 

I wonder what went wrong?

[sime42]

10 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Well done 42, for starters they are entitled to primary and secondary care free of charge, they are entitled to and will register at a GP practice “ which is not free by the way”. I’ll leave you to research the GP funding model. So how many came over last year or the year before or the year before that??. Calculate that figure and I guess you will have a number for those whom have accessed the NHS. I know there are medical teams providing care and support for Border  force as soon as they arrive all of which needs paying for. 

The post I put up was a general reply to Mark J about privatisation of the NHS. My position that in its current format where it’s a free for all set up ie that it’s not sustainable or fair “ my words” is imo valid. Now it was you whom went all Paxman or Walden and started demanding exact statistics and figures to compare against things like obesity and other issues etc etc. I’ve neither the time nor interest to play your statistics game as experience has taught me any answer with you will never be enough or alternatively it will be met with another handful of questions asking every minuscule detail. 
I see today the OBR is warning about the triple lock and running out of money. Maybe our focus from the very bottom up should be charity begins at home, looking after our elderly not worrying about providing wigs and interpreter’s.  Few screenshots for you 42 feel free to do a bit of digging. 

 

 

Corroboration. Your BS has been called out, again. You don't have a leg to stand on. 

If you have an issue with asylum seekers and refugees then say it. Don't make up BS about illegal immigrants. 

 

 

 

[Steven P]

Yes corroboration, 

 

"For secondary care services, the UK’s healthcare system is residence-based. This means that you must be living lawfully in the UK on a properly settled basis to be entitled to free healthcare."

 

"Hospital treatment: Hospital treatment is free of charge for people who are ordinarily resident in the UK. This does not depend on nationality, payment of UK taxes, National Insurance contributions, being registered with a GP, having an NHS number, or owning property in the UK. To be considered ordinarily resident, you must be living in the UK on a lawful and properly settled basis for the time being."

 

This was from the horses mouth....

"https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-entitlements-migrant-health-guide"

 

 

... illegal immigrants, for example those crossing in small boats who don't make a claim for asylum through to holiday makers who overstay their entry requirements, or temporary workers overstaying (these last 2 are the types who come through airports... and look like you or me, but are rubbish on Farage YouTube clips).. illegal immigrants are not considered ordinarily resident and are not allowed NHS treatment.

 

Hope a bit of corroboration clears it up for you!

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, sime42 said:

 

 

Corroboration. Your BS has been called out, again. You don't have a leg to stand on. 

If you have an issue with asylum seekers and refugees then say it. Don't make up BS about illegal immigrants. 

 

 

 

42 those are BMA and You Gov pages 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️what is it you disagree with. 

You have never called me out once 42, you will struggle too when it’s facts I put up. 

Edited July 9 by Johnsond

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

Yes corroboration, 

“ Yes corroboration “ from you of all people 😂😂😂😂😂 I guess you don’t see the sheer hypocrisy. 

That’s like the weak little prick standing behind his bigger tougher pal 😂😂😂😂😂 SP that’s the best laugh I’ve had in ages ya bam. 

Edited July 9 by Johnsond