Making the news today....

[Steven P]

Last time it was this high it took about 20 years to reduce it to a more sensible level.

[Mark J]

Israel-Hamas war: UK could be complicit in Gaza war crimes, Tory MP warns

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Crispin Blunt, who is co-director of a pro-Palestinian group, told Sky News he is not sure his colleagues in Westminster are aware of the "legal peril they are in". He spoke as Israel faces...

 

[scbk]

Winters here now. Seen the first gritter of the season this afternoon (and he was actively spreading salt)

[Mark J]

 

[difflock]

11 hours ago, Big J said:

 

And that is fundamentally the root of the situation in the middle east. The Israelis cannot be surprised that Hamas acted without humanity (and I absolutely condemn Hamas' actions) when the Israelis have been systematically stripping the Palestinians of that very humanity for 75 years.

I most very  strongly disagree with that 2nd last line of yours "J". 

Tough.

[sime42]

It sure looks like Israel is carrying out collective punishment, despite assurances to the contrary. Not sure how things like this can be anything else but.

 

'Hundreds of people killed in Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza with more trapped under the rubble', Hamas claims - as the Israeli military says it is investigating incident | Daily Mail Online

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Photographs out of Gaza showed fire engulfing the hospital halls, shattered glass and body parts scattered across the area...

 

A sure fire way to fast track recruitment of the next generation of jihadi fighters, not to mention the obvious; untold suffering to innocent people. Looks like there'll never be an end to this horrible mess.

 

[Mike Hill]

31 minutes ago, sime42 said:

It sure looks like Israel is carrying out collective punishment, despite assurances to the contrary. Not sure how things like this can be anything else but.

 

'Hundreds of people killed in Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza with more trapped under the rubble', Hamas claims - as the Israeli military says it is investigating incident | Daily Mail Online

WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK

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Photographs out of Gaza showed fire engulfing the hospital halls, shattered glass and body parts scattered across the area...

 

A sure fire way to fast track recruitment of the next generation of jihadi fighters, not to mention the obvious; untold suffering to innocent people. Looks like there'll never be an end to this horrible mess.

 

 

Hamas HQ is under the hospital,they have cells there where they torture captives . All collateral damage is propaganda to Hamas the leaders of which are likely in the south now anyhow.

 

There is some truly disturbing footage and reports out there on what Hamas did during their latest terror attack.

 

Personally I hope Israel turn the Gaza strip into a giant car park.As does the rest of the civilised world who live without their heads up their arses.

[difflock]

45 minutes ago, sime42 said:

It sure looks like Israel is carrying out collective punishment, despite assurances to the contrary. Not sure how things like this can be anything else but.

 

'Hundreds of people killed in Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza with more trapped under the rubble', Hamas claims - as the Israeli military says it is investigating incident | Daily Mail Online

WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK

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Photographs out of Gaza showed fire engulfing the hospital halls, shattered glass and body parts scattered across the area...

 

A sure fire way to fast track recruitment of the next generation of jihadi fighters, not to mention the obvious; untold suffering to innocent people. Looks like there'll never be an end to this horrible mess.

 

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Israel is left in a horrible situation, but I support them in their difficult choices.

 

Edited October 17, 2023 by difflock

[peds]

41 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

... I hope Israel turn the Gaza strip into a giant car park...

... the civilised world...

Lovely juxtaposition. 

[Steven P]

Certainly very messed up situation and I think the only way to get peace in the region is a lot of outside forces going in to break it up, and then years of peace keeping forces. If Hamas want to be seen as a legitimate government - which would help their case to the rest of the world - building bunkers under hospitals is not the action of a government. Likewise Israel needs to give them a chance, to come out and govern openly without fear. Both sides need to step back a bit and say 'lets be all grown up now'. However I don't think it stops there, Egypt and the other Arab states all have a part to play and the rest of the world do too.... but the first step perhaps is the rest of the world to step in and bang some heads together (simply put).

 

Might be wondering why it is our problems... look at the map, the borders are created by a ruler and a ruler, the straight edges were dictated by the Europeans and that is one of the many historical problems in the region.. one of many problems.

 

The US are creating a force to go in to assist Israel in todays news, but I don't think that will ease the situation, perhaps make Israel bolder in their actions. Suspect their involvement will grow till some one mentions Afghanistan or Vietnam (especially since Putin is also trying to solve things, egg on US faces if Putin does that.... so US will become more and more involved).

 

Just my thoughts anyway

Edited October 17, 2023 by Steven P