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[Steve Bullman]

Pack it in please. 

[Johnsond]

Navantia-Windar Starts Building Moray West Monopiles | Offshore Wind

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Spain's Navantia Seanergies and Windar Renovables have started production of the first of the 14...

Once again jobs lost for the UK and In the meantime Sturgeon will be more concerned about arguing with Westminster about this insane gender recognition bill. 

[GarethM]

14 in Spain and 48 in China, Lamprell are also based in Dubai.

[Johnsond]

40 minutes ago, GarethM said:

14 in Spain and 48 in China, Lamprell are also based in Dubai.

Absolutely disgusting and in the meantime political types of all parties pump out the lie to the general public  about the UK being a renewables powerhouse 🤷‍♂️.

[GarethM]

In their world having the big spinny thing whirling is all they care about, totally forgetting the steel, concrete and the workings all built elsewhere.

 

It's probably cleaner and greener long term just to open a coal pit, build a power station and use it for 50 years than one of these monstrosities.

 

If they just pay off the costs by the time it's time to knock them down, how much co2 does building them create Vs what it produces/offset or however you wish to green wash it ?.

Edited January 17, 2023 by GarethM

[coppice cutter]

To be honest, I think the principle of wind turbines is terrific, they take something that is free, clean, and plentiful, (wind) and turn it in to something which has never been free, clean, or plentiful, and with a minimum of effort.

 

I think all the problems surround how they've been put where they are, how they're managed, and how the resultant electricity is managed afterwards.

 

In other words, the politics behind them.

[Johnsond]

14 minutes ago, coppice cutter said:

To be honest, I think the principle of wind turbines is terrific, they take something that is free, clean, and plentiful, (wind) and turn it in to something which has never been free, clean, or plentiful, and with a minimum of effort.

 

I think all the problems surround how they've been put where they are, how they're managed, and how the resultant electricity is managed afterwards.

 

In other words, the politics behind them.

What about the periods when we have no or low wind ?. We need a balance of options unfortunately currently especially in Scotland it’s a mad ideologically driven irrational rush to renewables at all cost, with the vast majority of the profits and jobs going overseas. 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Johnsond

[GarethM]

Personally I don't think wind is in any way cost effective without subsidies which means it's not viable.

 

Solar on the other hand yes, fill your boots but only ever on buildings in the UK.

[coppice cutter]

3 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

What about the periods when we have no or low wind ?. We need a balance of options unfortunately currently especially in Scotland it’s a mad ideologically driven irrational rush to renewables at all cost, with the vast majority of the profits and jobs going overseas. 

Personally I don't think it should be fed in to the national grid, the grid is hard enough to balance without having to factor in the massive swings due to variability in the wind blowing. Balancing out intermittent supplies costs money, I believe that's why electricity is now disproportionately more expensive than pretty much any other form of energy, we are having to pay to keep an increasingly inefficient grid balanced.

 

Instead of huge subsidies to multi-national conglomerates there should have been more effort made to subsidise the supply of small and medium sized turbines to businesses, or even small groups of like-minded individuals who would have been much better able to maximise the use of the resultant free electricity in the most efficient ways possible.

 

John Seymour insisted that electricity generated by what he referred to back then as "natural energy" was always best done on as small a scale as possible as it was much easier (and therefore more efficient) to match demand to supply. What we are doing is the exact opposite.

 

Bear in mind that I'm supporting wind generated electricity as a principle, that doesn't necessarily mean the huge spinning monsters that we see dotted around the countryside.

[GarethM]

There was that solar from space thing being talked about again, anything is better than wind turbines