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[difflock]

8 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

How come there’s only a couple of white guys who have run 100 mètres under 10 seconds and 86 black guys have done it? What’s that due to?

Motivation  .  .  .

[Mick Dempsey]

2 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Fast-twitch muscle response.

Prolly, but (being very careful) if there’s no scientific basis for race, how come certain people, résidents for millennia of certain parts of the earth, have FTMR in such abundance, plus other glaring physical differences, and some don’t.

 

How would you differentiate between these different sections of humanity.
 

What is the word you would use?

[difflock]

21 minutes ago, Mark J said:

There’s No Scientific Basis for Race—It's a Made-Up Label

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It's been used to define and separate people for millennia. But the concept of race is not grounded in genetics.

 

Where did I mention race in the context of this remark?

The differences in breeding between regions, yes, or whatever way you wish to describe clearly recognised DNA differences within a European context.

And since you raise the issue, at some point these clear genetic differences are collectively labelled, and not just by us "whities".

As I keep saying, we are all different, and I know enough rascals from my own bloody tribe, to have little inclination to be particularily concerned about "racial" differences across the globe.

 

[Mark J]

11 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Prolly, but (being very careful) if there’s no scientific basis for race, how come certain people, résidents for millennia of certain parts of the earth, have FTMR in such abundance, plus other glaring physical differences, and some don’t.

 

How would you differentiate between these different sections of humanity.
 

What is the word you would use?

Variations of the same species.

[difflock]

7 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Variations of the same species.

Pure semantics Mark.

So why do we identify hundreds of different dog breeds, never mind birds, since they are all the same specis.

The human animal is no different, and as subject to conveinent labelling, by all and sundry.

Cheers

Marcus

[Mick Dempsey]

What difference is there between ‘variations’ and ‘race’ apart from making the word ‘racism’ redundant? 
 

Wouldn’t it just be replaced by ‘variationism’?

[Mark J]

28 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

What difference is there between ‘variations’ and ‘race’ apart from making the word ‘racism’ redundant? 
 

Wouldn’t it just be replaced by ‘variationism’?

Good question. I suppose that race and racism are befitting descriptors.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

That was like listening to the 3 wise men, watching the sun go down and having a chat over a beer ?

 

’Race’ and ‘discrimination’ as per the current topical debate are entirely man-made constructs. 
 

1 race = human race within which there are extreme variations of aesthetics, capacity, capability, intellect, physiology, etc, etc, etc. 
 

World would be a much calmer place if folks could live with the fact that some are better than others at different things. 
 

I don’t cry and bleat about a Gurkha being able to breath at an altitude where I couldn’t or a Maasai having a massive schlong. 
 

It’s just the way it is. 
 

All the current circumstances demonstrate to me is that multiculturalism is ultimately doomed to fail on the basis that some bastard is always going to assume the mantle of ‘the hard done by’ and it will always be somebody else’s (rather than their own) fault. 

 

 

[Khriss]

Eloquently put Kev, the his dinner is bigger than mine is from childhood and our hippocampus jumps at any slight or desire. Motivating yes but in modern civilisation a nightmare.  K

 

 

( still enjoying the pace on this thread now *tumbleweed n dust covered handbags in other corner* )

[donnk]

race is a red herring really. Culture is the driving factor.

 

Take an African out of any of the dumps in Africa at birth and raise them in any of the western countries and they do no better or worse than any white european. Colour really doesnt matter.

 

Politicans need to change cultures abroad to make them like the successful ones. Historically this used to be done by war, invading killing their leaders and replacing them.

 

Not sure how this is to be done now with failed states like pakistan. The yanks are dabbling with it by droning people.