tadcaster bridge collapsed

[swinny]

When will the idiots in charge accept that dredging is at least part of the solution to these problems, its just common sense, if the gap under the bridge is reduced by silt the volume of water that can pass under is by definition reduced.

 

Here here! Tight fisted council sods with budget cuts.

 

Environmental agency should be on this as they look after the rivers etc

Edited December 29, 2015 by swinny

[swinny]

I agree that some dredging would help but, where does the dredging start and in turn finish?, remembering there isn't a bottomless pot to pay for it.

 

By dredging the more populated areas (save more homes) you run the risk of flooding more properties down stream.

 

Oh, and dredging rivers may give more capacity but, it also allows water to travel faster to lower lying ground. Double edged sword, me thinks.

 

The SUDS (sustainable urban drainage system) policy drives water to river in a delayed slower action, via soaking pools / areas, but it cannot work in rainfall that far exceeds expectations.

 

You seem fairly up on this sort of thing eggs... is this your line of work? If so i need to talk to you

[eggsarascal]

You seem fairly up on this sort of thing eggs... is this your line of work? If so i need to talk to you

 

Drainage is my line of work swinny, feel free to PM me, I'll try my best to help out.

[skyhuck]

Here here! Tight fisted council sods with budget cuts.

 

Environmental agency should be on this as they look after the rivers etc

 

They are the ones who prevent it, they stop landowners from dredging their own stretches of river

[agg221]

I agree that some dredging would help but, where does the dredging start and in turn finish?, remembering there isn't a bottomless pot to pay for it.

 

By dredging the more populated areas (save more homes) you run the risk of flooding more properties down stream.

 

Oh, and dredging rivers may give more capacity but, it also allows water to travel faster to lower lying ground. Double edged sword, me thinks.

 

The SUDS (sustainable urban drainage system) policy drives water to river in a delayed slower action, via soaking pools / areas, but it cannot work in rainfall that far exceeds expectations.

 

Excellent post and something I am really struggling to convey to our village 'flood action group' who, in a desire to achieve some 'action' are busily accelerating flow through the village, which I live at the very bottom of where there is a fixed structure (Dutch ford). This is badly designed and jams up with rubbish. Every little bit of work they do to accelerate flow helps raise the river slightly higher at the ford, flooding us a bit higher in the process, so I spend my time prising rubbish out of the pipes with a grappling hook and a pitchfork. I would love to convey the concept of SUDS to them, but it is sadly way beyond their comprehension as 'doing something' is far more interesting to them than understanding the concept of removing obstacles starting from the lowest point and holding up water as much as possible at the upper end.

 

Alec

[eggsarascal]

They are the ones who prevent it, they stop landowners from dredging their own stretches of river

 

I thought it was the (EWFD) that doesn't allow dredging.

 

Nothing the EA can do about it.

[skyhuck]

I thought it was the (EWFD) that doesn't allow dredging.

 

Nothing the EA can do about it.

 

Maintenance on ‘main rivers’

 

You don’t need permission from EA to:

 

remove in-stream debris and rubbish

undertake minor tree works - you can cut back trees and other vegetation, and remove fallen trees

trim grass/vegetation on the banks and in the channel

 

 

You may require permission to:

 

remove silt and gravel from in channel

re-profile the watercourse banks

make the watercourse deeper or wider

spread material on top of the bank or nearby

carry out maintenance works to structures in, over or under a main river or a flood defence

Before you start work on or near a ‘main river’ you should submit your plans to EA and apply for a Flood Defence Consent.

 

 

 

The above is taken from here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/river-maintenance-and-drainage-charges-farmers-and-landowners

[gnfencer]

I'mCouncils no.longer clear ditches, let's get paedophiles, and rapists and murderers out with a spade clearing ditches,

Also how often do we see countryfile, when not focusing on some stupid poet that no one has heard of, or touting that bloody calendar, do we see them endorsing the hippies, who campaign to protect a little flower that grows on a grass verge at a roadside, and manage to prevent culvert and run offs being cleaned to protect a plant that shouldn't bloody be there in the first place,

And another thing this is controversial but sod it , that's never stopped me before, you never hear the home owners whose homes are at risk of being flooded complaining about how cheap there houses were for exactly that reason.

No they keep that quiet.

[swinny]

Drainage is my line of work swinny, feel free to PM me, I'll try my best to help out.

 

haha you may regret that sent you a pm

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Totally agree with you great post

 

It will take 50 official people at least 20 meetings and enough analysis to bore you too death and this time next year too come up with your answer :thumbup:

 

 

👍🏻

 

More than 50 idiots bashing their gums and most of them are in Brussels!

 

A fair portion of the broader problem lays at the door of the European Parliament:

 

Can't dredge because it might upset a vole and the arisings would be hazardous waste!

 

Additional payments to farmers to grub out upland vegetation to increase grazing (then further additional payments to artificially impede rivers!)

 

A "head count" on the number of trees allowed in a field before being disqualified for subsidy.

 

As if that isn't enough, Why isn't UK government putting a bid in to the EU for disaster relief assistance? UK paid IN 36million to the fund this year, time for some payback!

 

They'll have to be a bloody compelling argument to change my mind come EU referendum day!