anyone ever write a rebuttal to kiln drying

[Mortimer Firewood]

Do a bit of research in to Said company?????

[Logsnstuff]

Do a bit of research in to Said company?????

 

I have better things to do than try to look that up that's why I said whenever they started, but seem to remember one of the videos on youtube saying something about 20 or 25years ago, point I was making was that it's been around a fair bit longer than 15 years.

[briquette_seller]

Iam not sure, but i think the answer is no

[openspaceman]

Letting it rot is time release so the tree or trees planted are keeping pace in the absorption to the release where as burning is instant.

your still not answering the question this isn't a justify kiln drying thread it's a how to promote air dried.

 

As has been suggested use naturalness and lower carbon footprint compared with kiln dried

 

in the long run you want to keep those customers that you hook with the advertising for as long as possible with a good product and service. Churn, or rapid turnover of customers, is a problem when you are limited by delivery radius.

[openspaceman]

there's an article off the Multitek website about someone who started kiln drying logs in the 70's in the states yet certainly wood claim to have invented it whenever they started and it wasn't uncommon for people to dry logs in the rayburn oven certainly round here.

 

I wasn't commenting on the use of kilns but rather the one specific use by a company that started wholesaling boxed poplar kindling using our prototype high speed dryer in around 2000. Later the dryer was used for logs as the focus of the business changed. It was subsequently replaced by a bigger device using the same principal. To the best of my knowledge the full dryer with heat recovery was never built. We liquidated our company in around 2006, with no liabilities, as we were not commercially competent to make a successful business.

[Alycidon]

I have had some kiln dried ash in from the Baltic area this summer, most was 3% or below. I split and tested about 12 bits at random, one was 15%, a couple were 5%, the rest were 3% or under.

 

Stored in an open barn currently the outsides are about 8%, not tested any centers but would expect around 3% or so.

 

Best I have ever done with air dried was about 5% external in Sept, that was in bags under cover for 2 years prior to sale. Currently I am at about about 12%-14% external.

 

The reason KD is taking off in the UK is mainly one of money, at £55 a ton for hard cord to make 1.6 cube or so against a shade over £80 for a nice stacked crate of KD ready to sell and making 1.6 cube loose and no time and money spent processing it. Half my logs this time will be imported KD, I just cant make the maths stack to invest 30K in a bigger processor set up unless its going to be heavy grant aided. At present grant levels are likely to be 40% max next year.

 

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[Nicholas Pearson]

Hi all, I sell kiln dried logs and the common mis conception I have with clients is that the word 'kiln' implies the log has gone though a prosses involving some sort of electrical or forced heated prosses.

 

The word 'kiln' should imply a state of moisture content. Some air dried logs do get bellow that 20% mark so if you can garentee that all of the logs are bellow that 20% mark then sell them as kiln dried.

 

Some of my logs don't even register any moisture (mainly the sycamore) and the ash, beach and oak are around the 6-12% moisture. I don't put my logs in a unenviromently friendly electric powered kiln they are stacked and dried out properly in a greenhouse. Supper environmentaly friendly.

[skyhuck]

Hi all, I sell kiln dried logs and the common mis conception I have with clients is that the word 'kiln' implies the log has gone though a prosses involving some sort of electrical or forced heated prosses.

 

The word 'kiln' should imply a state of moisture content. Some air dried logs do get bellow that 20% mark so if you can garentee that all of the logs are bellow that 20% mark then sell them as kiln dried.

 

Some of my logs don't even register any moisture (mainly the sycamore) and the ash, beach and oak are around the 6-12% moisture. I don't put my logs in a unenviromently friendly electric powered kiln they are stacked and dried out properly in a greenhouse. Supper environmentaly friendly.

 

Err No, the word kiln is defined as

 

"a furnace or oven for burning, baking, or drying, esp. one for calcining lime or firing pottery."

 

So "Kiln" dried logs need to have been dried in a "kiln" to be advertised as such.

[Nicholas Pearson]

Err No, the word kiln is defined as

 

"a furnace or oven for burning, baking, or drying, esp. one for calcining lime or firing pottery."

 

So "Kiln" dried logs need to have been dried in a "kiln" to be advertised as such.

 

Okay thought I might get that type of response.

 

So if I dried my logs out in a large greenhouse (which isn't a kiln) and I am producing logs dryer than the numerous 'kiln dried' log supplies near me, what do I sell my logs as then? 'Really bloody dry logs which arnt kiln dried but are air dried by warm air heated by the sun for free' dried logs.

 

I would rather stick with kiln dried as in the joinery/cabinet trade (which I am as well) it doesn't matter how the last few % of moisture is dried off its still called kiln dried as it emplies a state of moisture content.

 

In the joinery trade we have three types of moisture content green <25%, air dried 25-18% and kiln dried >18%.

Roughly speaking.

[se7enthdevil]

If you are drying your logs in a greenhouse, it is a type of forced (ie artificial) drying and I don't think that the term kiln dried is inaccurate. A greenhouse is after all a solar kiln of sorts.

 

exactly, solar kilns work just as well as other types of kilns.

 

if your air dried logs are as good a moisture content than a kiln dried log then you can point that out but you should not be selling them as kiln dried.