Lynx could return to Northumberland

[ecotreecare]

And how's that going with the shooting?

 

Not so well as it happens, insufficient numbers of shooters to effectively control.

 

 

Don't agree with that at all- there a heaps of deer where I grew up, try and get permission to shoot them? No chance!

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Soooooooooo, shooting, in isolation, as a control measure is (a) effective or (b) ineffective?

 

Wether it be landowner consent, number of shooters, time available to existing shooters, deer reproductive rates, or whatever, shooting, in isolation is self evidently ineffective (unless it's a captive herd - and that's not where the problem lays.)

 

I can't help but think the "idiot logic" would be to suggest that 'man' knows better than nature.

 

It's 'man' that has induced the imbalance through importing feed stock and hunting into extinction the pre-existing predators that presented a perceived threat to that stock, or for sport.

 

With early maturity into reproductive activity a short reproductive cycle, and in the case of Munt, an all year breeding season, the problem of control is beyond the capacity of the current availability of sport / recreation stalkers in non-captive deer herds. Add to that the difficulty of culling Fallow, for example, due to the unpredictability of the herd movement and behaviour and it becomes obvious why we have the current population explosions. It's also totally impractical given the necessary safety ranges and public access areas to suggest that shooting, in isolation, could even come close to offering a decent control solution. The numbers speak for themselves.

 

Of course there is the potential for some degree of domestic / agricultural prey by Lynx, I don't think anyone is suggesting that it will be 'pain free.' But like taxes & death, you can be sure there will be a rich compensation seam to be tapped into and I'd be sure that will be 'utilised' to the very broadest extent of it's availability.

 

The question is, will the re-introduction of Lynx lead to future unexpected consequences that are worse than the current, and predicted future, conflict between 'man' and the unchecked population expansion of the deer population?

 

 

If we do nothing the deer v traffic, deer v crop conflict will continue (and increase exponentially in line with reproductive cycles.)

 

If we try to re-balance that which was previously messed up (by 'man') perhaps nature would make a better job of fixing 'our' vain abuse of the ecology?

[ecotreecare]

Soooooooooo, shooting, in isolation, as a control measure is (a) effective or (b) ineffective?

 

Wether it be landowner consent, number of shooters, time available to existing shooters, deer reproductive rates, or whatever, shooting, in isolation is self evidently ineffective (unless it's a captive herd - and that's not where the problem lays.)

 

I can't help but think the "idiot logic" would be to suggest that 'man' knows better than nature.

 

It's 'man' that has induced the imbalance through importing feed stock and hunting into extinction the pre-existing predators that presented a perceived threat to that stock, or for sport.

 

With early maturity into reproductive activity a short reproductive cycle, and in the case of Munt, an all year breeding season, the problem of control is beyond the capacity of the current availability of sport / recreation stalkers in non-captive deer herds. Add to that the difficulty of culling Fallow, for example, due to the unpredictability of the herd movement and behaviour and it becomes obvious why we have the current population explosions. It's also totally impractical given the necessary safety ranges and public access areas to suggest that shooting, in isolation, could even come close to offering a decent control solution. The numbers speak for themselves.

 

Of course there is the potential for some degree of domestic / agricultural prey by Lynx, I don't think anyone is suggesting that it will be 'pain free.' But like taxes & death, you can be sure there will be a rich compensation seam to be tapped into and I'd be sure that will be 'utilised' to the very broadest extent of it's availability.

 

The question is, will the re-introduction of Lynx lead to future unexpected consequences that are worse than the current, and predicted future, conflict between 'man' and the unchecked population expansion of the deer population?

 

 

If we do nothing the deer v traffic, deer v crop conflict will continue (and increase exponentially in line with reproductive cycles.)

 

If we try to re-balance that which was previously messed up (by 'man') perhaps nature would make a better job of fixing 'our' vain abuse of the ecology?

 

 

Yeah.... Whatever dude

[csservices]

There are plenty of 'big' cats living wild in much more populated areas, and they don't seem to have eaten many ramblers yet.

 

 

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Reintroduce them to control the rambler population.....now theres an idea to support

[Stubby]

Reintroduce them to control the rambler population.....now theres an idea to support

 

Yea and to controll the pleathera of metal dector herberts

[bella wood]

As for shooting isnt effective, we have closed seasons ,, i cant see a lynx walking away from a doe thats got a young one hiding in the under growth,

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

As for shooting isnt effective, we have closed seasons ,, i cant see a lynx walking away from a doe thats got a young one hiding in the under growth,

 

 

Isn't that the harsh reality reality of nature? The young, the old & the weak are the natural prey - easy pickings. The closed season is a human concept that, it could be argued, has exacerbated the population explosion?

[Mull]

Scotland, possibly but England no way. I live on Dartmoor- considered one of the wilder parts of England but occasionly I hear people mention re-introduction of wolves or whatever- it would never work. Too many people too little space - unfortunately.

 

 

 

Thanks mate, first the Poll tax now you want to test Lynx on us!!