Arbtalk 2015 General Election Poll

[Gnome]

If your not working you should have to do 40 hours a week community service and clean this place up a bit.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

Ok. I'll apologies again, Sorry!

 

Please tell me why you think great wealth trickles down, coz from what I've read not even the wealthiest capatilsts think it does.

 

By the way there is no need to get personal, calling people names is a little immature IMO.

 

I think wealth trickles down because I've experienced it trickle down to me! Not great wealth but a little something because someone better off than I helped me out. I know that capitalism suggests otherwise. Someone with money giving to charity is the simplest example to the contrary I can think of.

 

I burst a pressure valve at the "F'ing coffee" comment. Look I'll never be a socialist left wing type that's it.

[Tom D]

Wealth does trickle down, Fact. You can't live the millionaire lifestyle without spending loads of cash. For example I have one client who has spent maybe £15k on his trees over the years. There are factories in the Hebrides making tweed, who buys that? not nurses and social workers.

When you are mega rich you have everything done for you, thousands of businesses are dedicated to looking after the needs and wants of the rich, these people take the money off the rich and then they pay tax on it, we all benefit. I have had a handful of mega rich clients and I have made more from them than many many normal domestics put together.

 

These people spend millions on property (paying huge stamp duty in the process) then they spend many more millions doing them up, and guess what, they don't DIY B&Q it!

[eggsarascal]

Wealth does trickle down, Fact. You can't live the millionaire lifestyle without spending loads of cash. For example I have one client who has spent maybe £15k on his trees over the years. There are factories in the Hebrides making tweed, who buys that? not nurses and social workers.

When you are mega rich you have everything done for you, thousands of businesses are dedicated to looking after the needs and wants of the rich, these people take the money off the rich and then they pay tax on it, we all benefit. I have had a handful of mega rich clients and I have made more from them than many many normal domestics put together.

 

These people spend millions on property (paying huge stamp duty in the process) then they spend many more millions doing them up, and guess what, they don't DIY B&Q it!

 

Have a read of this then come back to me Tom.

 

The embarrassing truth about trickle-down | New Economics Foundation

[felixthelogchopper]

If your not working you should have to do 40 hours a week community service and clean this place up a bit.

 

Fairest way to do it is to say that, if you are able-bodied, you should have to do the amount of hours on community projects that it would take you to earn your unemployment benefits based on the minimum wage. It would make things better in the area and maintain some sort of work ethic amongst those unable (or even unwilling) to work. If you don't show up and make a decent effort, why should you get benefits?

[Richard 1234]

Fairest way to do it is to say that, if you are able-bodied, you should have to do the amount of hours on community projects that it would take you to earn your unemployment benefits based on the minimum wage. It would make things better in the area and maintain some sort of work ethic amongst those unable (or even unwilling) to work. If you don't show up and make a decent effort, why should you get benefits?

 

 

👍 spot on

[skyhuck]

There's too many people in this country sitting on Their bums doing nowt getting too much money in benefits I think we should be promoting work for all. Not sitting on benefits.

It should be a safety net not a lifestyle

 

The current lot have improved this to some extent, benefits are reduced and they intend to further reduce them. This has lead to more people taking jobs or starting their own business.

[skyhuck]

Fairest way to do it is to say that, if you are able-bodied, you should have to do the amount of hours on community projects that it would take you to earn your unemployment benefits based on the minimum wage. It would make things better in the area and maintain some sort of work ethic amongst those unable (or even unwilling) to work. If you don't show up and make a decent effort, why should you get benefits?

 

This is OK, but what about those who currently carry out these tasks?? Someone will lose the work that the unemployed people start doing.

[felixthelogchopper]

This is OK, but what about those who currently carry out these tasks?? Someone will lose the work that the unemployed people start doing.

 

Community projects would be those currently carried out by volunteers or 'the naughty boys gang' . They would be supplementary works rather than existing ones.

[Tom D]

Have a read of this then come back to me Tom.

 

The embarrassing truth about trickle-down | New Economics Foundation

 

Read that before, thing is thats not actually looking at trickle down,its a miss use of statistics. Its simply a relative wealth comparison between the mega rich and the rest of us, and on that scale the rich are getting richer faster than we are. Its like saying that its a statistical fact they banana imports have caused more crime, since as banana imports rose in the years after the war so did the crime rate. So its a statistical fact right? The two things are obviously unrelated yet the stats can be made to show otherwise. Its the same thing here. The rich are getting richer, but not off the backs of the poor. Most of the mega rich make their money in ways that simply involve having money and making it grow in some way. Its not like the dark satanic mills anymore.

Plus what that article doesn't address is the actual trickle down that definitely does occur.

 

Like I said before, really think about the life of a mega rich man, think of how he spends his time and what he does. At every step theres someone "normal" taking a slice of his wealth.. weather its the gamekeeper at the highland estate where he shoots a stag, or the chef at the hotel who cooked it for him. Or the craftsman who made the gun. Or the guy who fixes his jacuzzi. Or the florist who supplies the fresh flowers that he changes every other day. The guy who maintains the engine on his yacht. etc etc. The more you think about it the more things you can think of. We all benefit.

 

Lets say a guy comes over from India like Lakshimi Mittal, he is incredibly rich and pays little tax here as he is Non Dom. But even if he spends 0.1% of his wealth here we are all still better for it than if he never came at all.