What do you guys pay for

[CJM]

A groundsmans job is belittled a bit in my view if you've got a great groundsman on the deck he'll run show wether you're the best climber in the world or not it's up to him on the deck what you can and can't do.

 

It's a very underrated job which needs more recognition in my opinion.

 

I've been doing this 10 years and I've only occasionally come across a sole groundsman all the lads I've worked with have been climbers.

 

Most of the time if we had a big fell to do we'd swap jobs after dinner.

 

Maybe us northerners do it a little different

 

At the end of the day you're just a puppet up the tree and the groundsman will control everything he needs to be an arborist so you can get the best results in the safest manner

Edited February 13, 2015 by CJM

[jeanesy]

Why are you a groundie if you have all your climbing tickets?

 

Groundie round here I pay £80ish climber very experienced £180 whether their done at 1 or 6.30.

 

 

Where are you based? Wages seem to vary massively between regions.

[jeanesy]

A groundsmans job is belittled a bit in my view if you've got a great groundsman on the deck he'll run show wether you're the best climber in the world or not it's up to him on the deck what you can and can't do.

 

 

 

It's a very underrated job which needs more recognition in my opinion.

 

 

 

I've been doing this 10 years and I've only occasionally come across a sole groundsman all the lads I've worked with have been climbers.

 

 

 

Most of the time if we had a big fell to do we'd swap jobs after dinner.

 

 

 

Maybe us northerners do it a little different

 

 

Totally agree. As a subbie climber having a decent groundie can make my job so much easier. I've had a few large jobs where I've got a mate of mine in to do the ropes etc because it makes the job easier,quicker, safer and more productive. A good groundie is hard to find and worth paying for once you find them.

[Mark Bolam]

Totally agree.

My 20% comment wasn't to keep groundies wages down!

 

 

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[Gray git]

I think the problem is definition between a groundsman and a ground based labour.

The 1st can cut, chip, run ropes, talk to client/public, watch other people on site = pritty much whatever he wants to charge within reason.

The second can chip, drag and use a saw to brake down big stuff to do the former two tasks and thats about it = whatever the local going rate is.

People who bring gear with them.... Why?? As a business owner I prefer to only have my gear used on site so there's non of the well I used this then he blunted that etc etc, my job, my gear.

[CJM]

I think the problem is definition between a groundsman and a ground based labour.

The 1st can cut, chip, run ropes, talk to client/public, watch other people on site = pritty much whatever he wants to charge within reason.

The second can chip, drag and use a saw to brake down big stuff to do the former two tasks and thats about it = whatever the local going rate is.

People who bring gear with them.... Why?? As a business owner I prefer to only have my gear used on site so there's non of the well I used this then he blunted that etc etc, my job, my gear.

 

Is that kind of service equivalent to a climbers wage I'd say yes.

 

Just because you can climb doesn't make you worth more money than a groundsman that's only 1/3 of the service you offer to the customer.

 

Also a slight rant I hate people that only 'climb' once you've finished climbing chip up rake up lift logs and go home. These people usually have harnesses full or strops,crabs and useless gear hanging off the harness.

 

Feel a bit better now

[skyhuck]

Is that kind of service equivalent to a climbers wage I'd say yes.

 

Just because you can climb doesn't make you worth more money than a groundsman that's only 1/3 of the service you offer to the customer.

 

Also a slight rant I hate people that only 'climb' once you've finished climbing chip up rake up lift logs and go home. These people usually have harnesses full or strops,crabs and useless gear hanging off the harness.

 

Feel a bit better now

 

Unless the tree need climbing :lol:

[Gray git]

I think what you often find is a freelance climber gets more money because there are less good 1ns around and most companies have there own groundsmen as paye staff or the boss carries out the skilled grounds work so the extra bod on the ground is just that a bod to shift stuff so gets less as although necessary to getting the job done will struggle to command more money as more of em about.

As for my company the lead climber who tends to do all the hi risk or technical stuff is actually the 1 on the lowest paid hrly rate out of every 1 on site ME ;-)

[Mark Bolam]

I don't agree a good groundie is worth as much as a good climber.

 

All the good climbers I have worked with are excellent groundies, but it doesn't work the other way round.

 

For what it's worth they both deserve more money than the industry can currently afford to pay.

 

 

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[swinny]

Tickets mean naff all... i know people who have climbing tickets and felling tickets and couldnt do either!

 

Guys who ha e tickets and are.good and can be sent to a job and fell climb dismantle tree safely are worth more.

 

Both may have same tickets but 2nd guy is better and worth more.

 

Some people need to take off the rose tinted glasses, experiance and being good is worth more than any tickets.

 

I dont care if someone has just gained cs38, will still have knees knocking, probabilly couldnt save you in a month of sundays and be un productive in a tree.

 

Experiance not tickets.

Edited February 13, 2015 by swinny