Dangerous Agricultural / Forestry Vehicles

[luftwaffe]

The major

[csservices]

Nice to see the usual bull still being spewed about us farmers, if its so profitable please feel free to explain to me why I'm subbing to a tree surgeon 5 days a week to make ends meet! You'd be damn sure to be jumping up and down if I stated all tree surgeons were pikies cos they drive transits, with regard to the original post if its the accident I think it is the tractor was hit by a car causing the tractor to overturn and kill the tractor driver.

[CJM]

Some farmers make loads of money others make no money that's business you're not going to get a rich farmer on a tree forum bragging how much he's making but you'll get the poor ones telling us how farmers aren't making money. That just the way it is. Most farmers i see on the roads are in new tractors I've been seeing a lot of fendts on the road lately. Any how I couldn't care less if people make more money or less money than me even if they have government subsidies I don't care. If I wasn't making money doing tree work I'd change my occupation and every year I still see sheep,cows and what ever is grown in fields I'm sure farmers don't just do it for a laugh their making money or the have a bad business plan

Edited November 23, 2014 by CJM

[BARNSLEY BOB]

oh you are all so funny.

 

cheapest food ever.

shops full of stuff.

you have never had it so good.

 

200-300% increase in property prices, nice but your priority's are upsidedown.

[Yournamehere]

oh you are all so funny.

 

cheapest food ever.

shops full of stuff.

you have never had it so good.

 

200-300% increase in property prices, nice but your priority's are upsidedown.

 

Yep, t'ent farmers being subsidised it's the price of the food on your plate that is being subsidised.

T'would be interesting if the real cost of production was put on the packaging alongside the price you pay.

[IVECOKID]

When we quit the pig job 8 years ago we was getting ON AVERAGE £36 A PORK PIG ,,,,,so who was the one getting shafted .................

 

SUPER MARKETS ARE THE PITS,

 

 

Ste

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

From what started off as a Dangerous Agricultural / Forestry Vehicles thread, we seem to have desended into a verbal bashing of the agricultural sector.

 

I don't think that was the original intention and it's not altogether positive, although I do think it is indicative of an increasing isolation of the agriculture sector from public support.

 

If we take some of the vitriolic rhetoric that has been posted in the thread so far (both for and against) and consider it in the context of the forum membership, where it might be the case that a fair majority of contributors are outdoorsy / rural folk with an understanding of country life, it's even more of a potential concern.

 

For my part, I am not a farmer but I am surrounded by farms and have a fair working knowledge of the systems. My friends and neighbours are farmers and I live on the outskirts of a market town.

 

I deeply disagree with some of the recent policies and practices of the NFU - the stance on neonicotinoid pesticides, the badger cull, to name just 2 recent examples. Fox hunting is another classic example of alienation from broad public support although it's not an activity I have an issue with. It could be that those 3 examples give rise to excitable debate in their own right but that's not my intention in this thread - leave that for another day, another place - I mention them only as key examples of the ag sector alienating itself from public support.

 

The problem that needs to be sorted (IMHO) is the subsidy system (in so far as I understand it - and I'd be really chuffed if someone with 1st hand knowledge can illuminate me if I've got this wrong.)

 

How can this be right:

 

BBC News - Rich landowners paid millions in farming subsidies

 

I respect and admire the hardworking farmer that gets out and toils in all weather, anyone that grafts deserves a fair return on their efforts. If the article above is a true reflection of the current subsidy system, then it's broken, corrupt, and entirely misplaced.

 

Anyone got any details that can either corroborate or correct the picture painted by this article?

[Mortimer Firewood]

To be fair I should point out the guy I mentioned is a land owner 10000 acres that's the bit that gets me he has huge contract with people like mcains and gets over £800k in subsidies.

On the other side of that there is a local pig farmer who works 16 hours a day & gets about 70k a year and pus every penny back in to the farm we have done a lot of work there & I have total respect for him.

[matelot]

it just seems wrong that a farmer with a business worth a couple of million gets subsidised by the taxpayer. we've watched other industries like mining and shipbuilding go to the wall, I don't see why farming should be different.

 

I also think it's wrong that farmers don't have to pay business rates on their farms. How can it be right that small businesses like shops etc pay business rates and the multi million pound farm down the road pays nowt?

[csservices]

From what started off as a Dangerous Agricultural / Forestry Vehicles thread, we seem to have desended into a verbal bashing of the agricultural sector.

 

I don't think that was the original intention and it's not altogether positive, although I do think it is indicative of an increasing isolation of the agriculture sector from public support.

 

If we take some of the vitriolic rhetoric that has been posted in the thread so far (both for and against) and consider it in the context of the forum membership, where it might be the case that a fair majority of contributors are outdoorsy / rural folk with an understanding of country life, it's even more of a potential concern.

 

For my part, I am not a farmer but I am surrounded by farms and have a fair working knowledge of the systems. My friends and neighbours are farmers and I live on the outskirts of a market town.

 

I deeply disagree with some of the recent policies and practices of the NFU - the stance on neonicotinoid pesticides, the badger cull, to name just 2 recent examples. Fox hunting is another classic example of alienation from broad public support although it's not an activity I have an issue with. It could be that those 3 examples give rise to excitable debate in their own right but that's not my intention in this thread - leave that for another day, another place - I mention them only as key examples of the ag sector alienating itself from public support.

 

The problem that needs to be sorted (IMHO) is the subsidy system (in so far as I understand it - and I'd be really chuffed if someone with 1st hand knowledge can illuminate me if I've got this wrong.)

 

How can this be right:

 

BBC News - Rich landowners paid millions in farming subsidies

 

I respect and admire the hardworking farmer that gets out and toils in all weather, anyone that grafts deserves a fair return on their efforts. If the article above is a true reflection of the current subsidy system, then it's broken, corrupt, and entirely misplaced.

 

Anyone got any details that can either corroborate or correct the picture painted by this article?

 

As I understand it this is what the reform of the CAP is trying to reduce although I don't think it goes far enough, as a farmer I have never claimed any subsidies, the confusion comes between landowners and farmers, I rent all the land I farm, under the current rules the landowner can claim all the subsidies without doing any work on or to the land, with the new reforms they will have to prove they are actively farming it which suddenly makes it less attractive to investors who have bought up and let land knowing they can get rent plus extra return from subsidies for doing nowt. Joe public tends to see the arable boys in big shiny tractors and it fuels the perception of rich farmers, they ignore the fact that uk food is produced under the highest welfare standards in the eu if not the world but the suppliers are screwed to down to prices at or below the cost of production by supermarkets who supply all the cheap food.