Roundup to be banned in the UK, ?

[treequip]

See my earlier link. Roundup doesn't 'vanish'

 

Who said it "vanishes"?

[Agi-Smash]

Shouldn't need to be Eastern Europeans though, we have plenty of folk here already that aren't doing a right lot.

 

I agree. It shouldn't be eastern europeans doing a lot of things. But it would seem certain groups in this country dont want to work

[Peasgood]

I agree. It shouldn't be eastern europeans doing a lot of things. But it would seem certain groups in this country dont want to work

My theory is simply that they are just not hungry enough. Food is far too cheap in this country.

People happily pay more for bottled water than they pay for milk. Moan about the weekly food bill and then spend £500 on a mobile phone without batting an eyelid.

[Steve Bullman]

yes, that is exactly what I think the alternative is. Shouldn't need to be Eastern Europeans though, we have plenty of folk here already that aren't doing a right lot.

 

Absolutely. No need for anyone to be on the dole, there is always something that can be done.

[eggsarascal]

Absolutely. No need for anyone to be on the dole, there is always something that can be done.

 

It's getting the buggers to do it though.....Benefits are rising faster than wages!

[Peasgood]

The benefit system certainly seems to encourage folk to sit on their backsides but that is far from the whole story.

The system itself discourages people from working. Why go out and find a couple of days work if the end result is you have less money than if you stayed in bed. I am a hard working bloke but I'm not so sure I wouldn't turn down the chance of staying in bed for the same money.

 

Another very significant issue is that we as parents are turning out far too many kids that have no practical experience of anything.

I employ seasonal workers and the natives that turn up in 80% of cases are just useless. They have no work in them, can't work using both hands at the same time, can not follow very simple instructions, are so slow it is unbelievable etc etc. I'm not talking about dole drawing wasters here, a lot of them are university students on summer break. They can't turn up on time, can't turn up at all a lot of the time, won't work in the rain, turn up for farm work on a wet day in flip flops, turn up with no lunch as they expect there to be a shop somewhere in the field, no drink on sweltering hot days, work in the full sun with no hat or shirt and then get sunstroke (even when repeatedly told to cover up). Arrive in cars newer than mine (I guess Daddy bought it)

[TIMON]

But in reality what are the options?

 

Just suppose i have 40 acres of oil seed rape i need to harvest.

 

Have 4000 eastern europeans hand picking weeds?

 

 

My mrs is American and her dad was a farmer.... In America if you have organic crops growing on your land and next doors farm grows Monsanto GM (patented) crops, if any GM seeds "blow over" and contaminate your crops ... Not only do your crops get ruined but Monsanto then sue you for having their seeds growing on your land... It seems to happen a lot and a lot of small farmers have lost everything.. Real injustice!!!

Years later the farms growing Monsanto "roundup ready" GM crops find that the weeds growing in their fields have become resistant to roundup... What next? Back to good old paraquat?!

Monsanto's methods in the developing nations are even more aggressive. We also have them to thank for Agent Orange...

 

Monsanto putting the AGGRO into agriculture.

 

I'm not an Eco-warrior or a conspiracy theorist but the more you look into Monsanto the more disturbing it gets...

 

Rant over!!

[Agi-Smash]

As i said before. Other brands of glypho are available

[Peasgood]

Resistance to Roundup is inevitable regardless of any deliberate genetic modifications. The range of chemical herbicides available to farmers is rapidly decreasing year on year. Roundup is extremely cheap, as food prices are pushed lower and lower farmers have little choice but to use the cheapest product available. This is human nature not a fault particular to farmers.

Few alternatives and a low price for Roundup pushes its use more and more. With various weeds capable of producing vast amounts of seeds it doesn't take very much natural variation in there to happen upon a seedling that is resistant to Roundup. If that seedling manages to get as far as producing seeds of its own, of which a very low percentage are also resistant..... it does not take long to get to a point where Roundup is no use as a herbicide any more.

It is probably this mechanism that will ultimately get rid of Roundup. It won't need to be banned as it won't serve its purpose anyway.

Simazine went down a very similar route. Local authorities and railways etc used it in such vast amounts that it made its way into the water courses. It was this that got it withdrawn in the end (and of course the blame was given to farmers as usual). What rarely gets mentioned is that Groundsel amongst other weeds had already become resistant to it anyway.

[easy-lift guy]

yes, that is exactly what I think the alternative is. Shouldn't need to be Eastern Europeans though, we have plenty of folk here already that aren't doing a right lot.

 

Regrettably the plenty of folk you talk of have never really had to do with out and that is the main reason you have such a strong populations of Eastern Europeans willing and able to work. But I digress

easy-lift guy