LogPro - FREE Biomass Firewood Kiln

[Billy68]

Well it sounds good to me, I'll be giving you a ring in the New Year to have a chat about it. Merry Christmas

[Duffryn]

I'd be more worried about the repair costs after the 5 years whats the life span of the kiln, cost +20% I think it was that I read the other day.

 

I'm not sure I understand your concern here ? When you purchase a car, tractor , firewood processor etc you would be very lucky to get a five year parts and labour warranty let alone a commitment to repair at cost plus 20%.

[skyhuck]

For some this could be a very good symbiotic relationship, I really don't see why some feel the need to rubbish it just because it would not suit them.

[Duffryn]

giving it away, they get 8.5p/kwh.

put 500t / year through it, and its paid for in 18mth. nice, but can you get one registered for rhi. i dont think so.

 

We earn 8.5p per kwh for the first 250,000 kwh and thereafter the income drops to 2.2p. We have also just launched two new agreement options LogPro - Earn RHI Income where the firewood processor keeps all the RHI income after the first 250,000kWH. This means that the firewood processor earns £646 a week for each full weeks use

[Duffryn]

I have been reading this thread over the last few days as well as the one Iain posted a few months ago with some feedback on the idea and have been baffled at the negativity everyone has given it.

Logpro is a company not a charity so of course they will be making money out of it, but for me its perfect. I dont have £50k tucked away or the facility to get finance on £50k so if someone is offering me a kiln for a small startup outlay of £5k with that being paid back to me in 5 years and no monthly finance to pay is a complete no brainer.

If your doing 100 tons a year its probably not for you and if your doing 1000 tons a year you can probably already afford to buy one anyway. There are plenty of firewood producers this will help.

 

Thanks Ash. I too am a little confused by some of the feedback. I see lots of complaints on this forum about how companies like Certainly Wood are making it impossible to compete and then when a game changer like LogPro comes along that helps create a level playing field it gets negative comments. The firewood market has changed and those that don't adjust to those changes will get left behind.

 

Your comment about the larger firewood producers is a fair one which is why we have launched two new agreement options that enable larger volume suppliers to make considerable RHI income out of their use of the LogPro. These options will also provide a real incentive to smaller supplier to grow their business. See LogPro - Earn RHI Income for details

[Steve Bullman]

I wouldn't take it to heart Duffryn...some people just have a compelling urge to comment on anything going, even if they are not in the market for it anyway.

[renewablejohn]

I have been reading this thread over the last few days as well as the one Iain posted a few months ago with some feedback on the idea and have been baffled at the negativity everyone has given it.

Logpro is a company not a charity so of course they will be making money out of it, but for me its perfect. I dont have £50k tucked away or the facility to get finance on £50k so if someone is offering me a kiln for a small startup outlay of £5k with that being paid back to me in 5 years and no monthly finance to pay is a complete no brainer.

If your doing 100 tons a year its probably not for you and if your doing 1000 tons a year you can probably already afford to buy one anyway. There are plenty of firewood producers this will help.

 

 

Why do you need 50k just because somebody says there system costs 50K does not mean it would actually cost you 50k. I think people are being very blinkered. Just look on the US sites where container kiln drying originated you can get kits for 5000 US$ to convert standard shipping containers. The shipping container you can quite easily pick up for a grand and a boiler for another £1500. The only RHI expense is the flow and return meters specified by ofgem and there less than a grand so all in total cost would be approx 5k.

[Duffryn]

Why do you need 50k just because somebody says there system costs 50K does not mean it would actually cost you 50k. I think people are being very blinkered. Just look on the US sites where container kiln drying originated you can get kits for 5000 US$ to convert standard shipping containers. The shipping container you can quite easily pick up for a grand and a boiler for another £1500. The only RHI expense is the flow and return meters specified by ofgem and there less than a grand so all in total cost would be approx 5k.

 

Are you for real ? Trust me the costs are real ! The container needs to last for at least 20 years so we use brand new containers which are then modified for this purpose. These alone cost much more than £5K

 

An RHI compliant boiler that meets the new emissions tests and generates 175kWH costs substantially more than £1,500 !!! Then you have all the equipment required to make the kiln actually work.

 

If it were possible to make a comparable RHI compliant kiln for anywhere near £5K why haven't you or anybody else done so ?

Edited December 24, 2013 by Duffryn

[Logsnstuff]

have to say I don't see the need in 8 years I've had 1 person ask for kiln dried logs, you don't need 50k for a kiln because you don't need a kiln. it's not a game changer its spin to tie you into unnecessary equipment. I can get logs to 15% in a year and oak in 2 years without burning anything I find any lower and the logs burn too fast. my customers don't want imports so I'm not competing in same market as certainly wood.

[Duffryn]

have to say I don't see the need in 8 years I've had 1 person ask for kiln dried logs, you don't need 50k for a kiln because you don't need a kiln. it's not a game changer its spin to tie you into unnecessary equipment. I can get logs to 15% in a year and oak in 2 years without burning anything I find any lower and the logs burn too fast. my customers don't want imports so I'm not competing in same market as certainly wood.

 

Certainly wood dry to 20% and so this is very much the same market. I agree that if you are happy to have two years of cash tied up in stock, and an inability to match supply to fluctuating demand then you don't need a kiln. Not everyone wants to grow their business or adapt to a changing market and so it follows that not everyone needs a kiln.