Rates of pay?

[Ty Korrigan]

Moving to Europe as an employee or self employed still requires language skills that few have.

Its not greener here on this side of La Manche, just differently coloured...

If you can't make it back home then in all probability you won't make it here either.

But you will have a real life adventure even if it does lead to divorce, lost capital and confused kids.

Ty

[Riggerbear]

ha ha ha, yep, thats what worries me too, how long do we have? when will those guys start saying "he aint what he used to be"

 

worries me sometimes, but what else would I do!

 

I'm 40 at the end of the year, been climbing 20 years soon and I think I've slowed a little over the last 6 months.

 

 

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[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I'm 40 at the end of the year, been climbing 20 years soon and I think I've slowed a little over the last 6 months.

 

 

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the build up to forty is worse than the post forty! I was in a right pickle for the 12 months of 39!

[Riggerbear]

the build up to forty is worse than the post forty! I was in a right pickle for the 12 months of 39!

 

It's funny, when I was 30 it didn't bother me 1 bit. Had a big fancy dress party and really enjoyed it. I've got no interest in doing the same for my 40th. Sorry everyone we seemed to have gone off topic slightly.

 

 

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[Jesse]

the build up to forty is worse than the post forty! I was in a right pickle for the 12 months of 39!

 

Thats nothing, i'm 50 this year , still climb, but have got over the 40 thing, eldest daughter is just about to make me a granddad , thanks, my old boss died last week at 64 and all i keep thinking about is dying , not in a negative way as i have had far too much fun in my life and have in a way had more lives than a cat. But all you have to remember is ' Always look on the bright side of life' those lyrics resonate in my head every day. You know the lyrics

[Jesse]

the build up to forty is worse than the post forty! I was in a right pickle for the 12 months of 39!

 

Hay you should check out ' rugbysongs.net' 172 A song about turds 94 that should cheer you up in fact theres lots on there.

[rossy]

The rate of pay isn't as important I don't think as enjoying the type of work your employed does and the company of the guys you work with. I'd rather be settled somewhere I like than chase the top money. I don't know why people moan about the wages, surely some research would have shown the wages were crap in this business before you even thought about getting qualified. I for one and happy to get my same crappy wages every week and budget too them. The market is getting tighter and tighter and the result is more hours less money, suck it up or choose a different path.

 

 

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[Taupotreeman]

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New outfits? Just like they were you mean?

 

Nothing wrong with one man bands or lawn mowing companies that dabble in small tree work. Can be a profitable buisiness model. It certainly worked for me when I was getting started. Just because you can use a chainsaw doesn't mean you're special. Particularly with the huge amount of college leavers with their CS courses under their belt.

 

I'm with those who mentioned the cost of living. Thats the real issue. The fact that this country is screwed. You can't tell me that the current generation has the same opportunities (as things stand, it may get better but I doubt it) as the generation that went before.

 

I blame the baby boomers and the banks.

 

 

*closes cat box quietly, exit dovecote stage left...*

 

Just because you can pick up a chainsaw doesn't mean to say you know how to use it, as some of the lawn mowing contractors here have shown. As for the statement about competing with new companies starting up; that's just a fact. You still have to compete against them do you not?

 

 

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[jaime bray]

It would be lovely to start a study of arboricutural wages for the variety of sectors, areas, levels of; skill; experience; qualifications; desire of the employee, ability, types of work carried out over the years etc.

 

The location within which we live will sometimes depict the type of money that A, the client earns and can therefore warrant paying and the accepted cost of a job, B, the living costs of the place of living, C, how much the company charge and how they operate. Plus many more.

 

It would be interesting to see if people who pay 180 a day are employing people for work of say reducing 3 20ft cherries with a 15ft spread in a huge open garden and reshaping a regular pruned thuja of say 8ft high, then reshaping a privet hedge of 15ft length. Or are they reducing 60ft-90ft pops in a garden the size of a postage stamp requiring more than an ability to handle a chainsaw with 'proficiency' within the canopy, recognising the need to work the site, the tree, the saw, the ropes, the dismantling, etc.

 

If you are self employed and your personal life etc costs you 650 a week then work out how many days a week you want to work, if it 5 then divide by 5 etc, but dont forget, you will need to replace your ppe, climbing equipment, have your kit lolered etc as and when required. So you will need to incorporate that into your figures. Basically as a self employed or freelance person I think you are runnning a business and therefore should function in the same way as company owners have to. Price your day and sell the service.

 

I have recently been speaking to many people in the building trade and things are considerably bad in many sectors of that industry, some skilled and experienced carpenters etc are working for £90 self employed.

 

I think its about time that people appreciated the fact that they A, have a job, B, it is an industry that they'claim to love' working in. and C, that whilst their college tutor or a colleague has told them that they are amazing, the reality is that they still have much to learn about this job and therefore should look at positives of doing this job rather than purely the negatives of wages, which to be fair as stated are either not very well explained at carreers advice office in the sense of whats required for experienced 'status' or people do not research the subject prior to choosing the career or 'vocation' as industry likes to call it.

 

Infact shall we start a thread titled the positives of working in arboriculture. and another titled the negatives of working in arboricutlure. two seperate threads so its clearly identifiable to people where posts sit.

Edited February 24, 2013 by jaime bray

[Le Sanglier]

It would be lovely to start a study of arboricutural wages for the variety of sectors, areas, levels of; skill; experience; qualifications; desire of the employee, ability, types of work carried out over the years etc.

 

The location within which we live will sometimes depict the type of money that A, the client earns and can therefore warrant paying and the accepted cost of a job, B, the living costs of the place of living, C, how much the company charge and how they operate. Plus many more.

 

It would be interesting to see if people who pay 180 a day are employing people for work of say reducing 3 20ft cherries with a 15ft spread in a huge open garden and reshaping a regular pruned thuja of say 8ft high, then reshaping a privet hedge of 15ft length. Or are they reducing 60ft-90ft pops in a garden the size of a postage stamp requiring more than an ability to handle a chainsaw with 'proficiency' within the canopy, recognising the need to work the site, the tree, the saw, the ropes, the dismantling, etc.

 

If you are self employed and your personal life etc costs you 650 a week then work out how many days a week you want to work, if it 5 then divide by 5 etc, but dont forget, you will need to replace your ppe, climbing equipment, have your kit lolered etc as and when required. So you will need to incorporate that into your figures. Basically as a self employed or freelance person I think you are runnning a business and therefore should function in the same way as company owners have to. Price your day and sell the service.

 

I have recently been speaking to many people in the building trade and things are considerably bad in many sectors of that industry, some skilled and experienced carpenters etc are working for £90 self employed.

 

I think its about time that people appreciated the fact that they A, have a job, B, it is an industry that they'claim to love' working in. and C, that whilst their college tutor or a colleague has told them that they are amazing, the reality is that they still have much to learn about this job and therefore should look at positives of doing this job rather than purely the negatives of wages, which to be fair as stated are either not very well explained at carreers advice office in the sense of whats required for experienced 'status' or people do not research the subject prior to choosing the career or 'vocation' as industry likes to call it.

 

Infact shall we start a thread titled the positives of working in arboriculture. and another titled the negatives of working in arboricutlure. two seperate threads so its clearly identifiable to people where posts sit.

 

You see a post like that and realise there is absolutely nothing to add.

Very nicely put:thumbup: