One reason I use Aspen

[Eddy_t]

Quip, we get you don't like / see need for aspen, you're sounding a bit broken record now though! STFU arguing about it, those that do, will continue using aspen, those that don't, won't! If you don't, don't post 50 times saying you don't because of price, fuel consumption, dealer availability, whether your helmet is orange, pink or green, or even if you're using stihl or husky, the thread is here to show what damage CAN be done with stale petrol, issues with saws being converted to aspen, and people's opinions on said product, yes you've aired your opinion, we got it the FIRST time!

 

 

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[H-A]

I don't see it happening anytime soon, they managed it with outboards because the 4 stroke was a real alternative

 

The 4 stroke may have been some sort of alternative in some situations, but lacks most of the 2 strokes appeal mainly weight.

 

There is talk that the Californian regulations on emissions, will create problems for the saw makers in the U.S.

 

Stock up on your 2 stroke motors, as the day will come, when new 2 strokes will not be available, going on past experience.

 

Stihl have a 4 stroke lubricated with 2 stroke oil that is a little odd.

 

No doubt Husqvarna has allocated a very large part of their R and D budget on 4 stroke and electric development.

 

H-A

[Eddie@aspen]

The 4 stroke may have been some sort of alternative in some situations, but lacks most of the 2 strokes appeal mainly weight.

 

There is talk that the Californian regulations on emissions, will create problems for the saw makers in the U.S.

 

Stock up on your 2 stroke motors, as the day will come, when new 2 strokes will not be available, going on past experience.

 

Stihl have a 4 stroke lubricated with 2 stroke oil that is a little odd.

 

No doubt Husqvarna has allocated a very large part of their R and D budget on 4 stroke and electric development.

 

H-A

We already have Honda 4stroke strimmers and hedge cutters. It is only a matter of time!

[treequip]

Quip, we get you don't like / see need for aspen, you're sounding a bit broken record now though! STFU arguing about it, those that do, will continue using aspen, those that don't, won't! If you don't, don't post 50 times saying you don't because of price, fuel consumption, dealer availability, whether your helmet is orange, pink or green, or even if you're using stihl or husky, the thread is here to show what damage CAN be done with stale petrol, issues with saws being converted to aspen, and people's opinions on said product, yes you've aired your opinion, we got it the FIRST time!

 

 

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If you wind it back a post or two my concern want about aspen, it was about petrol going off in a couple of weeks, or rather the claim of it.

 

The OP responded and that was that but others interceded and took it in this direction.

[Eddy_t]

The 4 stroke may have been some sort of alternative in some situations, but lacks most of the 2 strokes appeal mainly weight.

 

There is talk that the Californian regulations on emissions, will create problems for the saw makers in the U.S.

 

Stock up on your 2 stroke motors, as the day will come, when new 2 strokes will not be available, going on past experience.

 

Stihl have a 4 stroke lubricated with 2 stroke oil that is very crap.

 

No doubt Husqvarna has allocated a very large part of their R and D budget on buying a company that has done 4 stroke and electric development.

 

H-A

 

Fixed that post for you!

A 4-stroke stihl chainsaw would weigh the same as the saws do now, the plastic and metal would just be paper thin at the rate they're going

 

 

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[Eddy_t]

If you wind it back a post or two my concern want about aspen, it was about petrol going off in a couple of weeks, or rather the claim of it.

 

The OP responded and that was that but others interceded and took it in this direction.

 

Well, yes petrol goes stale, how long before it does? How long is a piece of string, you never filled a petrol can and thought the fuel smells dodgy? Same as over time, the oil separates from the mix, the fuel changes composition, making it less volatile, and therefore flammable, sure you can put stabilisers in, but even that only slows the process, my dealer told me a month, 2 years before I used aspen, I never bought my 2t oil from them either, they had nothing to gain, it states it in manuals!

 

Back to fuel going off in a few weeks, we have a petrol tank where I work (a pump type) that holds 1000l, it lasts up to 8 months! I can guarantee, whilst only mixed that day, the fuel is poor, extremely so, the machines run like a bag of nails, need de-coking on a 6month basis, most need carb kits, won't start easily, run sluggish, where as my machinery runs on aspen, it starts after a few pulls, they rev better, and higher, the machine beds in better, giving more power, whilst this is all opinion you must admit that all the users who say the same thing can't just be making it up

 

 

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[teepeeat]

As my machines go without use fairly regularly (not in tree work) I used to have all sorts of problems getting them going after a month or so on the 5/6/7/week old fuel.

I am no expert on machinery, but having only made one change to what I do - ie change fuel to Aspen I now have no problems even if the machines are left longer.

 

That said, my neighbour pulled an old Stihl 075 out of his shed a few months ago and had a quick play and got her going on the 5th pull on the same mix that had been in the tank for the 5 years it had been in the shed - go figure

 

PS using Aspen2 that is over a year old now - no problems

[geoff]

Some of the old saws, same as some old cars, would run on porridge, (low compression), modern saws are a different kettle of fish, & do require a better fuel.

Pump fuel does turn within a month or two, it is absorbing water via the ethanol all the time. the ethanol is also slowly destroying the carb rubbers & other 'soft parts'.

We are breathing in the ethanol & benzene ( amongst other additives) as a two stroke is not burning all the fuel, so long term both machine & operator will be suffering, do some research.

There is no disputing these facts, just some decide that the price of the fuel is more than they are prepared to pay, or they find dealers too far away.

For me, it's a no brainer, I want to keep my machines hassle free, & improve my chances of not having long term health problems associated with long term petrochemical exposure.

There have been extensive reports from professional bodies on the last point, I myself posted one such some time ago.

Quite how anyone would argue against the validity of Aspen is beyond common sense.

[GardenKit]

If you wind it back a post or two my concern want about aspen, it was about petrol going off in a couple of weeks, or rather the claim of it.

 

The OP responded and that was that but others interceded and took it in this direction.

To be fair, Treequip, we can wind your posts back 2years and find the same negative comments.

 

I really do not understand your mission to undermine Aspen, those who use it, snd those who reccomend it, although I personally look forward to your posts as I think they have done more to promote the use of Aspen than the rest of us put together.

 

As for citation of the '30 day' rule, just read your Stihl operators book. They, as well as other manufacturers have stated it clearly for many years.

 

Keep up the good work!

[geoff]

Workers using chain saws (and brush saws) are

exposed to benzene and 1,3-butadiene which are

considered to be known human carcinogens.

Very few chemicals are so classified.

Polyaromatic hydrocarbons, several of which are

suspect human carcinogens, are also in the

exhaust mix as is carbon monoxide.

Available data suggest that exposures to these

substances may reach unacceptable levels under

some working conditions. The sum of excess

cancer risks (without an estimate for PAH or

other suspected genetic toxicants in exhaust) is

estimated to be on the order of 10-3 to 10-5 (one

chance in 1,000 to one chance in 100,000). As

time-to tumour (latency) of benzene, and

differences among individuals in metabolizing

benzene are better defined, risk estimates may

change.

 

the whole article ,(pdf).http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/publications/00012/3-Dost-PowersawEmissions.pdf

 

Earlier post, that I consider worth a read, including link.