accident NWS

[Andy Collins]

whether or not the original post was done for the glory matters not to me. What does matter is the education of people not to operate a saw in an incorrect manner. If it was not for examples such as Jasons, we would all become more complacent, oblivious to the risks our job entails. Who else has sat thru the "horror" vids of the Forestry Commission, or the shocking photos of contact with overhead lines, shown by Electrical Companies. These reputable bodies show what can go wrong, if you dont play by the rules. I know for a fact seeing them makes me think, and I believe this is how we should view Jasons posting. Shock tactics work, whether we like to see it or not. Just because I disagree with anothers statement, doesnt make him wrong, tho Tim, I doff my cap to no-one.

Yes in the world of Arb/Forestry, there is a lot of macho, testosterone fuelled bull, and for the most part this can serve a pupose, if channelled correctly, but lets not forget that we are but flesh and blood, and it cuts too darned easily.

[Pete Mctree]

Because it is the arb organisations (AA/ISA) and HSE who are making the effort to get some sort of consistency across the industry. If they didn't exist, neither would NPTCs, RFS, ISA Cert Arb, AA Tech, LOLER PPE etc.

 

Read the statement carefully Tim before replying. There is best practice in place, there has also been a thorough study in the use of climbing saws HSE funded), which concluded that one handed operation is not acceptable. So therefore further legislation is uneccesary.

 

I was trying to get someone to sugest that a change in perspective and educational practices might be a possible solution, but however your selective reading - which is nothing new to your posting, has dragged this thread into negative discourse, as opposed to positivley contributing to a debate that you hold strong views on.

[Mac McLennan]

Always remember that if things don't change, they'll stay the same, and I'll see you when I get my new glasses.

[scotspine1]

there has also been a thorough study in the use of climbing saws HSE funded), which concluded that one handed operation is not acceptable. So therefore further legislation is uneccesary.

 

Thats the whole point pete, there's no legislation, only guidelines.

 

Maybe in the future there will be legislation governing the use of top handled saws in treework, which will make the industry more professional, until then any deviation from industry best practice when using a top handled saw will go unpunished and probably unreported.

 

What makes me laugh about you guys who condone one handing for 90% of your cuts is that you'll one hand the saw even when your other hand is doing nothing.

[skyhuck]

Thats the whole point pete, there's no legislation, only guidelines.

 

Maybe in the future there will be legislation governing the use of top handled saws in treework, which will make the industry more professional, until then any deviation from industry best practice when using a top handled saw will go unpunished and probably unreported.

 

 

So what are you hoping for??

 

Will people like YOU go around taking photos of people like me one handing our saw, and take them to the police, and then I will get arrested and charged? with what? endangering MYSELF!!, but hang on smoking is still legal? doesn't that KILL people?

 

Sounds like a great world you hoping for

[skyhuck]

What makes me laugh about you guys who condone one handing for 90% of your cuts is that you'll one hand the saw even when your other hand is doing nothing.

 

Well then why not just keep laughing, and stop getting so worked up about what OTHER people do!!

[Mr Ed]

Good point Dave. Is that really what we need, more legislation? Sounds like socialism left wing nanny state gone mad to me.

[skyhuck]

Like most climbers, I cut and chuck when I need to. I was holding a branch in my right arm and was cutting with the left. I crossed my arms so the saw was below my right arm.. the branch started to go and it pulled my arm down onto the saw as I was cutting.

 

Jason please don't take this the wrong way, it is not intendered as fault finding, I think you have more than paid for your error.

 

I do use my 200t with my left hand and hold with my right , but I do this so I DON'T cross my arms, I don't understand why you didn't cut with your right and hold with the left? was the reason the weight of the branch?

[Jamie]

we have a(nother) saying at work.

 

'if it's boring you're doing it right'.

 

This job has the potential to be dangerous i for one do get scared on certain jobs, its what you do with that fear that counts, do you become rational or start cutting (pun intended) more corners.

 

Jamie

[scotspine1]

Good point Dave. Is that really what we need, more legislation? Sounds like socialism left wing nanny state gone mad to me.

 

Ed, Skyhuck

 

There's no legislation in treework, that is - there's no statutory law.

 

Treework is a free for all.

 

Which is why so many amateurs are using it as a way to make a fast buck.