More shrubs than trees, but can anyone help?

[Rock Monkey]

Hi All

 

I'm trying to ID these 2 trees/shrubs.

 

The first one has very glossy leaves, bit like a Holly but smooth.

 

The second has leaves very similar to a Rowan but it is growing as a very dense low shrub rather than a tree, like a rowan that had been coppiced.

 

Any help appreciated.

 

[woodland]

Hi All

 

I'm trying to ID these 2 trees/shrubs.

 

The first one has very glossy leaves, bit like a Holly but smooth.

 

The second has leaves very similar to a Rowan but it is growing as a very dense low shrub rather than a tree, like a rowan that had been coppiced.

 

Any help appreciated.

 

 

Id hazard a guess:sneaky2:, first one is Euonymus fourtuneii and the second Lonicera pileta,

[tree_squad]

Hi First id a euonymus and the second is either wisteria or sophora

 

cheers

 

Martyn

[likeitorlumpit]

it's definately not lonicera

[Quickthorn]

Pretty sure second one's Wisteria

[pgkevet]

If it's a wisteria shouldn't it be showing more signs of twisting and climbing that time of year?

[nepia]

If it's a wisteria shouldn't it be showing more signs of twisting and climbing that time of year?

 

There are pot wisterias available that don't do the twining thing to the same extent as most. But that's a strange form for a wisteria isn't it: I wonder if a large one's been cut right down there and what we see is stump regrowth.

[alliaria]

Second one could be a coppiced Gleditsia, any spines?

[Neil Frost]

It's a wisteria.

[Beardie]

I reckon the first one is a holly cultivar that just happens to have smooth leaves. It I could see more of the twigs, I'd be sure. The second one could be black locust or tree of heaven.