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Is it too easy?

By Frank,
August 14, 2010 in General chat

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After a conversation today I got pondering about NPTC units. Are they too easy. I know they are only certificates of competence to show you safe working practises, almost like a provisional license if you like.

What i got to thinking was........

Would it help the industry and up the skill level of tree work in general if the NPTC units were alot harder to pass and required more training / revising etc? Surely this would stop the general consensus that you can become a "fully qualified tree surgeon" in a matter of weeks.

I also got to thinking about the health and safety side of our industry. Shouldn't the aerial rescue ticket be a complete training course in it's own right and only obtainable by really competent climbers as it seems to me that all you need to be covered by your insurance is a competent second climber on the deck. Yet in the event of a serious accident, what exactly would a fresh faced, newly certificated person actually be able to do? Some cases would be different but in most cases I see "new" climbers as still being nervous and unconfident in a tree, yet they can still be classed as the competent rescuer in the event of an accident.

Make of this what you will. Discuss.

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armchairarborist

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Posted August 14, 2010

good idea to have an aerial rescue ticket that incorporates relevant first aid training,

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Frank

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Ok Huck. So why?

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Skyhuck, you edited your post??

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Ok Huck. So why?

You cannot legislate into people, pride in their work or safe working practice.

Has making the driving test harder, in any way improved the standard of driving we see from young drivers??? I think not,

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Interesting reply, what if any is the % of people failing assessments, or is there a need for a higher level of competence , and how do you manage this , I am not a fan of our certs but hse reading of accidents and history in arb is not showing an acceptable level especially when compared with other industry, how do we improve it ? it would be interesting if we could give anonymous replies at times to discussions ! ?

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I think the reality is that its an industry thats makes money gives good guide lines but I recon 3/4's of the people that pass wont stay in the industry for long any way... most peoples real taste of tree work and first winter with the reality of its not all about dead wooding oak trees they will leave!

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good idea to have an aerial rescue ticket that incorporates relevant first aid training,

I disagree first aid should be a seperate thing aLtogether. My point was more about how someone who has had essentially a crash course in climbing can be classed as an aerial rescuer.

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having not long passed cs 38 i think it would be a good idea to have the rescue part as a seperate ticket as there was two guys on my test that couldnt climb fast enough to save any one so i think you should get a basic climbing ticket then have to get at least 6 months climbing under your belt then do the rescue part of the test

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