wood burners

[sime42]

3 hours ago, Steven P said:

Can't ban open fires unless you are willing to spend, lets say £2k in every house that has one to remove it and the chimney (to prevent it being opened up again after), and redecorate (also to include those with wood burners fitted to prevent them being taken out and an open fire being used instead). Easier to control the sale of new burner... though they could of course encourage installing a more efficient stove instead of an open fire somehow.

 

The logic kind of applies to cars - not banning older less efficient vehicles but any new ones have to meet mre stringent minimum standards

 

The logic does kind of apply to cars, but the logic isn't being applied, if you see what I mean. Yes, they're cleaning up the combustion emissions, but the government is doing nothing, (that I've seen anyway), to address the problem of brake and tyre emissions. In fact the problem is getting worse year on year, as cars get ever bigger, heavier and more numerous. 

 

Looks like they've got the right idea in France. We could be taking a similar approach, rather than trying to stop people burning wood. Why do so many people need a SUV in a city anyway?

 

 

'Carspreading’ is on the rise - not everyone is happy

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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In the UK and across Europe, cars are becoming longer, wider and heavier.

 

 

 

 

 

[Johnsond]

24 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

The logic does kind of apply to cars, but the logic isn't being applied, if you see what I mean. Yes, they're cleaning up the combustion emissions, but the government is doing nothing, (that I've seen anyway), to address the problem of brake and tyre emissions. In fact the problem is getting worse year on year, as cars get ever bigger, heavier and more numerous. 

 

Looks like they've got the right idea in France. We could be taking a similar approach, rather than trying to stop people burning wood. Why do so many people need a SUV in a city anyway?

 

 

'Carspreading’ is on the rise - not everyone is happy

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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In the UK and across Europe, cars are becoming longer, wider and heavier.

 

 

 

 

 

Larger cars/suv’s etc already are taxed more 🤷‍♂️ HGV’s pay an astronomical amount to be on the road. 

If you can find an alternative to rubber tyres or a new brake pad material, let me know if you need any financial assistance to get it going, I reckon that could be a winner. 🤪

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Cars are heavier today due to increased safety features, a consumer preference for larger vehicles like SUVs, and the addition of technology like electric powertrains. Stricter safety regulations require more materials for crumple zones and structural integrity, while more amenities and hybrid/electric components like batteries add significant weight

Edited 28 minutes ago by Johnsond

[Steven P]

25 minutes ago, sime42 said:

The logic does kind of apply to cars, but the logic isn't being applied, if you see what I mean. Yes, they're cleaning up the combustion emissions, but the government is doing nothing, (that I've seen anyway), to address the problem of brake and tyre emissions. In fact the problem is getting worse year on year, as cars get ever bigger, heavier and more numerous. 

 

Looks like they've got the right idea in France. We could be taking a similar approach, rather than trying to stop people burning wood. Why do so many people need a SUV in a city anyway?

 

Perhaps that goes back to what I was saying earlier though, they have cut car emissions (and others - heavy industries in the middle of towns for example), so that while there was always that factor of wood smoke - and brake and tyre emissions they have become a more significant portion of air pollution... though yes I believe that with heavier cars there will be increasing.

 

On the flip side of course, with electrical car regenerative braking perhaps the brake thing is something they will let slide and it will naturally decrease as we all get electric vehicles? Still got to worry about tyres though.

 

There is no need for a SUV in a city. I forget the number but the average footprint of a car has increased by 10% (? I think) over the years - or as my nan put it "car parking spaces are getting smaller" (no nan....)

 

 

Edit:

Sorry - just blanked the link you posted saying the same thing I just did

Edited 27 minutes ago by Steven P

[Squaredy]

11 hours ago, GarethM said:

They aren't designed to be a poncy room feature, they're designed to burn hot and hard and store the heating efficiently out of sight.

 

That's partly why back boilers were stopped, it can't burn clean just ticking along slowly.

Now I bought a Morso stove fifteen years ago with a back boiler.  It heats my whole house via rads, but not hot water.

 

The salesman told us when we bought it that it would be slumbering much of the time.  How wrong he was.  Maybe if my house were better insulated he might have been right, but If it is properly cold I have it on quite high, and if it is only a little chilly I don’t light it because it would end up boiling.

 

Not saying you are wrong, just not been my experience.

Edited 9 minutes ago by Squaredy

[AHPP]

Maybe brake pads and tyres should be taxed so that you pay more for them the more you use them (heavier vehicles consuming them quicker). A consumption tax if you will.