AI - A force for Good or Bad?

[Macpherson]

14 hours ago, sime42 said:

I'm more concerned about the meteoric rise in dis&misinformation, rather than mass unemployment. Too many people are falling foul of it already. The fact that it's getting increasingly hard to trust information and "news" deeply unsettles me. It's a sad, bleak world that we're moving into; where so much around us is unnatural and unreal. Progress? No sir.

 

I agree with you here, as I approach the end of my 7th decade I'm glad to have lived most of my life in what I considered to be the ' real world ' with real values and purpose.

 

That's not to say that my generation weren't fed a diet of complete BS because we were.... but these days the with the current generation things have got way worse in so many directions that it's hard to be specific in a short post.

 

From our dystopian corrupt uni party government and counsels that are following the globalist agenda and it would seem to me to be working hard to undo the society that our forefathers worked so hard to build, to all the woke crap that's being taught in schools and delivered to most others on a daily basis by a bought and paid for MSM.

 

I honestly see ' Digital ' as anti human and as a creeping invasion of our planet that we've all become far too dependant on, we've had 30 years of internet and most have enjoyed ' the carrot ' , I'm personally expecting the ' stick ' anytime soon.... and when it comes will we realise that we've all been donkeys to allow this to happen ?

 

I guess I don't think AI will be good for the majority of us and that life was better back in analogue days.

 

[sime42]

3 hours ago, Squaredy said:

I agreee that AI is going to make some very significant changes to the labour market.  The main point I was trying to make is that machines of one sort or another have been displacing human workers for at least two hundred years now.  Before the railways came to the UK almost everyone worked in the countryside.  Within one generation this had been turned on its head - most people worked in factories and lived in towns.  It didn't mean most people were out of work.  Actually AI might be a far more positive thing than the industrial revolution.  That detroyed creative, hard but fulfilling jobs like growing food and replaced them with (mainly) soul destroying jobs in factories.  AI could end up destroying many boring jobs and replacing them with creative jobs. 

 

I don't see AI as fundamentally different from other developments.  Yes the changes will be collosal.  But no we don't yet know how it will pan out.  Instead of my local council employing hundreds of people to do soul destroying things like make figures on a spreadsheet add up and plan stuff a computer can plan much better they can actually pick litter, clean off graffiti, work with local businesses to develop and many other creative things.  Newport council manage 160 acres of woodland, with a budget and team of zero.  If they can save a fortune on routine things a clever AI computer can do maybe they can finally employ some forestry and environmental officers to look after them.

 

It seems to me it is too easy to say "jobs will be lost" and forget that this may actually be a good thing.  Of course there will be those who are unwilling or unable to re-train.  So there will be a whole load of new jobs created helping such people to adapt.  Sadly some people will simply refuse and become victims, but for many it could be the end of a dull job and the beginning of a creative job.

 

I guess I see the needs for human intervention as almost unending, and if AI gives us the ability to tackle some of this then bring it on.

 

<AI could end up destroying many boring jobs and replacing them with creative jobs.> - what kind of creative jobs exactly? There won't be much going in music, acting, writing, illustration, graphic design, concept art, etc in a few short years time.

 

But as I've already said: I'm not overly concerned about mass unemployment. Machines have indeed been displacing human workers for at least two hundred years, but they have been doing so entirely at our behest, and tightly controlled by the constraints of their mechanical design. They have not been creating "information" and "news", to dupe the gullible. Also, machines have not been taking away our children's childhoods, or coaching them in how to take their own lives, or grooming them.

 

I think we need to distinguish between machines and AI. I do see AI as fundamentally different from other developments. It's not a linear progression, (for want of a better word). We've never outsourced human thought until now. 

 

You often cite the need for human oversight and intervention. That isn't really happening, even at this early stage of the game. It's all being rolled out as fast as possible to maximise influence and profit for the tiny proportion of people that actually benefit from AI. Look a how many major fckups, or "mistakes", Grok has already made for instance.

 

 

 

 

[Mark J]

5 hours ago, sime42 said:

 

<AI could end up destroying many boring jobs and replacing them with creative jobs.> - what kind of creative jobs exactly? There won't be much going in music, acting, writing, illustration, graphic design, concept art, etc in a few short years time.

 

 

 

Absolutely. It was always in my mind that getting machines to do the mundane shit would free us up to spend more time doing what we like.

But there doesn't seem to be much feedback from the AI world, much the same as 'trickle down economics' doesn't seem to feedback to us commoners in the way it is presented. 

 

What seems to be happening is that easily automated jobs are going that way, but the people who lose their jobs have no recompense, while CEO's are raking it in..

 

 

[Macpherson]

I was just reading about the planned rollout of 6G around 2030ish and It's feckin terrifying, nothing like we've seen before at frequencies that can cook flesh from all these towers that erected everywhere while nobody questions anything.... very disturbing.... as I said, anti human or perhaps anti all life.👎👎

 

 

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, Macpherson said:

I was just reading about the planned rollout of 6G around 2030ish and It's feckin terrifying, nothing like we've seen before at frequencies that can cook flesh from all these towers that erected everywhere while nobody questions anything.... very disturbing.... as I said, anti human or perhaps anti all life.👎👎

 

 

I identify with your earlier post.

 

I know nothing about 6G but have learned to dread seeing the 5G signal on my phone as it hangs, whereas 4G is faster than I need.

[Squaredy]

17 hours ago, sime42 said:

 

<AI could end up destroying many boring jobs and replacing them with creative jobs.> - what kind of creative jobs exactly? There won't be much going in music, acting, writing, illustration, graphic design, concept art, etc in a few short years time.

 

But as I've already said: I'm not overly concerned about mass unemployment. Machines have indeed been displacing human workers for at least two hundred years, but they have been doing so entirely at our behest, and tightly controlled by the constraints of their mechanical design. They have not been creating "information" and "news", to dupe the gullible. Also, machines have not been taking away our children's childhoods, or coaching them in how to take their own lives, or grooming them.

 

I think we need to distinguish between machines and AI. I do see AI as fundamentally different from other developments. It's not a linear progression, (for want of a better word). We've never outsourced human thought until now. 

 

You often cite the need for human oversight and intervention. That isn't really happening, even at this early stage of the game. It's all being rolled out as fast as possible to maximise influence and profit for the tiny proportion of people that actually benefit from AI. Look a how many major fckups, or "mistakes", Grok has already made for instance.

 

 

 

 

Ironically AI itself could no doubt be involved in suggesting what could usefully be done with all the available labour.  But I don’t think it is difficult to think of examples.  So much more could be done to encourage children to interact with the real world For example.  Local groups getting children involved in ecology, history, politics, culture.  This on its own could employ hundreds of thousands.  How about really great practical help for people who never work and have never worked.  Currently if you answer the questions right in the form that is pretty much the end of it.  How about if every person stuck in a rut had a caseworker who helps them out if that rut?  Creative doesn’t just mean art or music!  Rehabilitation of prisoners is another one that is currently a disaster and could really benefit from a whole new army of workers.

 

Now you might say how are we to pay for all these extra workers?  Well I am talking about where existing employers have freed up large numbers of people due to AI.  If the local public sector employers drastically reduced their workforce this could work perfectly.  In the private sector it is a bit different.  If supermarkets (for example) end up with no workers they could undercut even Aldi and Lidl.  I think many people would avoid them, but that is the beauty of a free market - we would have a choice - super cheap food bought from a bot or more expensive food bought in a shop with humans.

 

By the way when you say human oversight isn’t really happening think about it at a macro level.  I have no doubt many businesses are rushing to embrace AI and the ones that ruin their product or services will quickly disappear or reverse, or improve their management and use of AI.  The public sector is more difficult as if they introduce major AI into, for instance, schools or hospitals we don’t really have much choice.  But if AI can reduce the cost of running a hospital so they can have enough staff we all win.  So the oness is on senior leadership to make wise decisions in their departments.  God help us in my area!  But the point is, no-one will be forced to adopt a poor AI.

Edited 15 hours ago by Squaredy

[Macpherson]

12 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

I identify with your earlier post.

 

I know nothing about 6G but have learned to dread seeing the 5G signal on my phone as it hangs, whereas 4G is faster than I need.

 

I know nothing about it either but something that I watched recently sure explained why all these ominous towers are appearing everywhere.

I guess now that I've heard of 6G I'll slowly become more clued up, cheers.

[Gabriel82]

Yes, AI is good for Humanity and for the World! 

 

Because we all can see what Humanity/humans do NOW(or in past) so ,a "replacement" of humans is sooo welcomed and needed!( I am realistic). 

 

As for World: yes AI is good: finally something that act with logic and not hidden interests! 

 

I can't wait to whitness Singularity and the Downfall of humans 😁😎

 

Because one Entity that knows EVERYTHING that has ever been ,is and will be to know can take a piss on humans, for sure! 

 

Quantum computing also helps in knowing and understanding everything! 

About time for this!

 

 

[Oldfeller]

[Gabriel82]

@Oldfeller neah, I'm happy here with "my birds" 😂