Welcome back to the EU!

[Tree monkey 1682]

19 minutes ago, sime42 said:

@Tree monkey 1682

 

You'll need to draw up a Venn Diagram for that list of people who wouldn't like you! They won't all fit neatly in one circle, it'd be messy. 

 

There's very much anti-Labour anti-vaxers, very much unwoke work capable Daily Mail reading benefit bums (of the indigenous variety), and very much unpride asylum seekers, etc etc. Messy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point being that the are a certain group of people that do not want the UK to be good, ok look at the amount junkies we have in this country that never contribute or never have and yet they drain money out of the government.. 

Make people earn their benefits, so when work does come up they can do it and they are contributing. 

But how ever you look at it, the UK can't go on like it is... Wether that's the fault of the EU with our industries moving abroad or crappy attitudes thinking "we're to good for that job" can't go on... 

Thing like the NHS is broke, we give so much money abroad, yet our own house isnt in order, we have this stupid net zero policy that's not helping anything, yet China India and America pollute more than us. 

Yes it can be turned around but the needs to be a serious shift in attitude. 

[Johnsond]

23 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

My point being that the are a certain group of people that do not want the UK to be good, ok look at the amount junkies we have in this country that never contribute or never have and yet they drain money out of the government.. 

Make people earn their benefits, so when work does come up they can do it and they are contributing. 

But how ever you look at it, the UK can't go on like it is... Wether that's the fault of the EU with our industries moving abroad or crappy attitudes thinking "we're to good for that job" can't go on... 

Thing like the NHS is broke, we give so much money abroad, yet our own house isnt in order, we have this stupid net zero policy that's not helping anything, yet China India and America pollute more than us. 

Yes it can be turned around but the needs to be a serious shift in attitude. 

Far too much common sense to go down well on here. 

[sime42]

46 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

My point being that the are a certain group of people that do not want the UK to be good, ok look at the amount junkies we have in this country that never contribute or never have and yet they drain money out of the government.. 

Make people earn their benefits, so when work does come up they can do it and they are contributing. 

But how ever you look at it, the UK can't go on like it is... Wether that's the fault of the EU with our industries moving abroad or crappy attitudes thinking "we're to good for that job" can't go on... 

Thing like the NHS is broke, we give so much money abroad, yet our own house isnt in order, we have this stupid net zero policy that's not helping anything, yet China India and America pollute more than us. 

Yes it can be turned around but the needs to be a serious shift in attitude. 

 

 

Yep, agree with a lot of that. The UK is pretty ****************ed right now, whichever way you look at it. I don't believe much of that is the fault of the EU though, it's far more to do with our very own home grown attitudes. Be that of our politicians or swathes of their electors. Not forgetting of course the unelected ultra rich individuals, (the traditional media, social media and big tech types), who have a large amount of influence behind the scenes. If we were to be part of a bigger block, the EU for instance, we would at least have more power to resist their insidious efforts to hold sway over an ever increasing portion of all our lives.

 

Make people earn their benefits - absolutely. Far too many Great British multi-generational families of benefit bums. Except that many are now too ill to actually work. For that we can blame successive governments for failing to stand up to the huge multinational food and drink corporations forcing crap down people's throats. Fix that and we'd go a long way to fixing the NHS as well. It's all connected.

 

I forgot junkies. Taking that to be drug abusers. Drug abuse is generally accepted as being a symptom of inequality and lack of aspiration in society. I've not checked but I expect that we in the UK have one of the highest rates of drug abuse in Europe, so that's not going to get any worse if we rejoin the EU either.

 

It's all common sense when you sit down and think about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 22 by sime42

[Tree monkey 1682]

8 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

 

Yep, agree with a lot of that. The UK is pretty ****************ed right now, whichever way you look at it. I don't believe much of that is the fault of the EU though, it's far more to do with our very own home grown attitudes. Be that of our politicians or swathes of their electors. Not forgetting of course the unelected ultra rich individuals, (the traditional media, social media and big tech types), who have a large amount of influence behind the scenes. If we were to be part of a bigger block, the EU for instance, we would at least have more power to resist their insidious efforts to hold sway over an ever increasing portion of all our lives.

 

Make people earn their benefits - absolutely. Far too many Great British multi-generational families of benefit bums. Except that many are now too ill to actually work. For that we can blame successive governments for failing to stand up to the huge multinational food and drink corporations forcing crap down people's throats. Fix that and we'd go a long way to fixing the NHS as well. It's all connected.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh I don't know about the bigger block thing, I mean Norway has its deal with eu and seems to do quite well out of it, even if norways 2nd biggest fishing port looked small compared to Brixham.. Tiny to be honest.... 

Regarding the EU I can't helping thinking, we've lost massey furgeson  out of Coventry, Ford tractors, but can't remember why they moved abroad as I was a child then. 

But I did see cadburys moving abroad with a grant from the EU, bang that's numerous people out of work, thinking of the other factories that were given grants before brexit to move abroad...  Then thes the legal crap from the EU as well🙄

As goes for food, again ever immigrant brought their own dish over here, and it's not for government to police, how ever unless u have a medical condition, you should not be over weight. What I do think should of happend is we don't have aspartame in every drink, sugar would have been better rather than us healthy people paying the price for fatties!. 

Think in sweden coca cola has no phosphoric acid in, and yes it did taste better for it! 

[sime42]

Call that a fishing harbour Norway?! And Brixham is tiny in comparison to Newlyn.

 

Cadbury moving to Europe is due to the company being taken over by Kraft and then Mondelez. Both big American/international food and drink companies. They and others like them are responsible for the disastrous food landscape in this country. Nothing to do with EU, or immigrants. Their food is generally far healthier, (and tastier) than ours. I say ours, but what is British food these days? It's KFC, pizza, Subway or any of the other crap pushed out by the likes of Uber or Just Eat. We've lost our traditional fayre, but not due to immigrants.

 

Aspartame, yeah it's the devil's nectar. Ban it henceforth

 

 

[Tree monkey 1682]

27 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Call that a fishing harbour Norway?! And Brixham is tiny in comparison to Newlyn.

 

Cadbury moving to Europe is due to the company being taken over by Kraft and then Mondelez. Both big American/international food and drink companies. They and others like them are responsible for the disastrous food landscape in this country. Nothing to do with EU, or immigrants. Their food is generally far healthier, (and tastier) than ours. I say ours, but what is British food these days? It's KFC, pizza, Subway or any of the other crap pushed out by the likes of Uber or Just Eat. We've lost our traditional fayre, but not due to immigrants.

 

Aspartame, yeah it's the devil's nectar. Ban it henceforth

 

 

Humour me, then, so what did the Indians bring with them, the Italians and then the americans? 

The gumph regarding kraft... Hate to say it but the EU gave them a grant before with left the EU, that was before kraft took them over.... way before, but if you valued the product and workforce  why don't u build a factory on the outskirts of bham? You have the product and the workforce....... 

As goes for rubbish food, no one makes you eat "rubbish food" nothing wrong with any food as long as u burn it off and eat it moderation. 

If your loosely trying to make a link between poverty,  fast food obesity and type 2 diabetes.... That's lame.. 

People in this country dont know what poverty is. 

It's skewed proities and dire lifestyle choices. 

Since when is sky TV classed as a necessity? 

That's the difference, coming from someone who's done bread and jam diet, knocked on people's doors in stoke to make a bit more cash... And has had to walk or run 7 miles each way to work.... Then do a manual job until work picked up.... 

[Mike Hill]

Most Norwegian fishing boats have their own dock,they may meet a factory ship at sea or drop into many of the fish factories along the coast.

 

I have never heard anywhere being described as a " main fishing harbour".

 

Where did you visit?

[Stubby]

18 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Humour me, then, so what did the Indians bring with them, the Italians and then the americans? 

The gumph regarding kraft... Hate to say it but the EU gave them a grant before with left the EU, that was before kraft took them over.... way before, but if you valued the product and workforce  why don't u build a factory on the outskirts of bham? You have the product and the workforce....... 

As goes for rubbish food, no one makes you eat "rubbish food" nothing wrong with any food as long as u burn it off and eat it moderation. 

If your loosely trying to make a link between poverty,  fast food obesity and type 2 diabetes.... That's lame.. 

People in this country dont know what poverty is. 

It's skewed proities and dire lifestyle choices. 

Since when is sky TV classed as a necessity? 

That's the difference, coming from someone who's done bread and jam diet, knocked on people's doors in stoke to make a bit more cash... And has had to walk or run 7 miles each way to work.... Then do a manual job until work picked up.... 

You try telling that to the youth of today , They won't believe you .....

[Tree monkey 1682]

7 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

Most Norwegian fishing boats have their own dock,they may meet a factory ship at sea or drop into many of the fish factories along the coast.

 

I have never heard anywhere being described as a " main fishing harbour".

 

Where did you visit?

I did a cruise of the Norwegian fjords, a native on the tour said the port we pulled into said "this is norways second biggest fish processing port" it's was tiny not that impressive in the way of ports or fish processing plants bearing in mind norways out of the EU and has heavy involvement in fishing... But il ask the other half when she gets in, because although I visited the place I can't remember where it was.... Bar the was an echo dealership there! 

[sime42]

1 hour ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Humour me, then, so what did the Indians bring with them, the Italians and then the americans? 

The gumph regarding kraft... Hate to say it but the EU gave them a grant before with left the EU, that was before kraft took them over.... way before, but if you valued the product and workforce  why don't u build a factory on the outskirts of bham? You have the product and the workforce....... 

As goes for rubbish food, no one makes you eat "rubbish food" nothing wrong with any food as long as u burn it off and eat it moderation. 

If your loosely trying to make a link between poverty,  fast food obesity and type 2 diabetes.... That's lame.. 

People in this country dont know what poverty is. 

It's skewed proities and dire lifestyle choices. 

Since when is sky TV classed as a necessity? 

That's the difference, coming from someone who's done bread and jam diet, knocked on people's doors in stoke to make a bit more cash... And has had to walk or run 7 miles each way to work.... Then do a manual job until work picked up.... 

 

Lots to go at there. Again, some I agree with, some not. 

 

Indians - good food, Italians - good food, Americans - bad food. American multinational companies - shit "food". 

 

I'm bemused by the Cadbury gumph. Suffice to say that the EU did not force them to relocate to Europe. The owners of the company were ultimately responsible, be they British or American at the time. They would indeed have been far better to build a new factory in south Bham. The area was desperate for new employment after Rover collapsed at Longbridge, it still suffers now.

 

There is absolutely a link between poverty, fast food, obesity and type 2 diabetes. Everything in moderation yes, but that doesn't happen in a lot of cases. No-one can subsist healthily on a diet of exclusively fast and ultra processed food. Regardless of how much they exercise.

 

There certainly are far too many skewed priorities and dire lifestyle choices. Sky TV, Netflix or the latest phone are not necessities. 

 

Walked or ran 14 miles per day, on top of a day of manual labour? Fair play to you.