Climbing accident, Northwich, Cheshire

[openspaceman]

technically the force should be stated in Newtons but most people understand weights so the force a 2500kg mass hanging on the rope would be 2500*9.81 Newtons. You could hang a 5.3 tonne weight off the Novoleen rope sold for the Eder before it would break if new. In the 6 years I have used mine the rope has shortened mostly from wear of the outer braid, It started at 100m and is now around 50m and I have made soft shackles from the inner braid left overs. It has been by far the biggest cost of running the winch.

[Mark Bolam]

Good figures.

 

And considerably less than the cost of a new pelvis.

[Domino]

23 hours ago, Steven P said:

 

without being there and knowing all the background and full kit list... is that big blue jobby on the right of the video big enough and powerful enough? (all good from an armchair of course)

Yep, but didn't a climbing accident occur?? Hence they weren't using it? 

Far too many variables and it's all totally unknown what went on to me. The only further comment I'd make is a tractor or similar of suitable size (with a winch, as trees that are upright should not really be just pulled by an machine) for mechanically aided felling is normally employed for pulling trees into open land/fields away from the highway.  This being the most cost effective method for removing multiple large trees near highways. 

A failed tree that is looming over the highway is more complex and requires very careful dismantling...in my opinion.  

[Domino]

1 minute ago, Domino said:

Yep, but didn't a climbing accident occur?? Hence they weren't using it? 

Far too many variables and it's all totally unknown what went on to me. The only further comment I'd make is a tractor or similar of suitable size (with a winch, as trees that are upright should not really be just pulled by an machine) for mechanically aided felling is normally employed for pulling trees into open land/fields away from the highway.  This being the most cost effective method for removing multiple large trees near highways. 

A failed tree that is looming over the highway is more complex and requires very careful dismantling...in my opinion.  

Just to add.  I desperately feel for the chap and his loved ones and am accusing no wrong doing.  

I have personally anchored from 'good' trees and tied into compromised ones and simply got away with it, but would never do it these days or advise anyone else to do so. 

Peace out. 

[AHPP]

Two secs. Let me get Jennifer Lopez on the phone and see how she would've got it down.

[Haironyourchest]

10 hours ago, Domino said:

Yep, but didn't a climbing accident occur?? Hence they weren't using it? 

Far too many variables and it's all totally unknown what went on to me. The only further comment I'd make is a tractor or similar of suitable size (with a winch, as trees that are upright should not really be just pulled by an machine) for mechanically aided felling is normally employed for pulling trees into open land/fields away from the highway.  This being the most cost effective method for removing multiple large trees near highways. 

A failed tree that is looming over the highway is more complex and requires very careful dismantling...in my opinion.  

 

Aye, this one was against the clock though, rush hour was approaching. Or so the rumor goes..

[Peasgood]

1 hour ago, Haironyourchest said:

 

Aye, this one was against the clock though, rush hour was approaching. Or so the rumor goes..

Since when has that bothered them?

Knowing the road, if it was rush hour the traffic would be mostly going the other way on the very seperate part of the dual carriageway. That's assuming it was pm rush hour rather than am but they never seem bothered in the slightest about such things anyway.

[Ledburyjosh]

22 hours ago, openspaceman said:

technically the force should be stated in Newtons but most people understand weights so the force a 2500kg mass hanging on the rope would be 2500*9.81 Newtons. You could hang a 5.3 tonne weight off the Novoleen rope sold for the Eder before it would break if new. In the 6 years I have used mine the rope has shortened mostly from wear of the outer braid, It started at 100m and is now around 50m and I have made soft shackles from the inner braid left overs. It has been by far the biggest cost of running the winch.

I still have mine at 100m. The outer does not seem to wear well.

I now save that rope for when range is required and mostly use 14mm sirius which is a much more disposable in terms of price.

So on taller trees I typically base tie a 50m length of sirius then connect that to the expensive 100m line. That was its the cheaper line getting beaten up as the tree falls in it and gets dragged out.

[openspaceman]

53 minutes ago, Ledburyjosh said:

I still have mine at 100m. The outer does not seem to wear well.

I now save that rope for when range is required and mostly use 14mm sirius which is a much more disposable in terms of price.

So on taller trees I typically base tie a 50m length of sirius then connect that to the expensive 100m line. That was its the cheaper line getting beaten up as the tree falls in it and gets dragged out.

Very sensible. I don't have much to do with climbing ropes but should have done the same.

 

I had hoped it would be possible to splice a new novoleen 50m onto the unused end of mine, Youtube videos seem to show the possibility but probably beyond my capability.

 

Also there is noticeable wear on the capstan which is probably from muddy rope.