2 rope climbing are we sticking to the rules

[Retired Climber]

14 minutes ago, john87 said:

That is a contradiction in terms??

 

john..

Not really. I'm self employed, and work for businesses most days. 

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

21 minutes ago, john87 said:

That is a contradiction in terms??

 

john..

Sorry, 'labour-only subcontractors'

 

[john87]

Where would i get a copy of the "rules" I suppose they are rooted in common sense and would be something to work towards??

 

Having said that, whilst i do not have two ropes, i always make sure i am tied in by more than one means unless i am actually going up or down, so would that count anyway??

 

john..

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

21 minutes ago, john87 said:

Where would i get a copy of the "rules" I suppose they are rooted in common sense and would be something to work towards??

 

Having said that, whilst i do not have two ropes, i always make sure i am tied in by more than one means unless i am actually going up or down, so would that count anyway??

 

john..

Hi John,

 

"The rules" are detailed here https://www.trees.org.uk/News-Blog/Latest-News/Tree-work-at-height-–-Regulations-and-guidance

 

 

Your method of work (climbing) would not meet the rules I'm afraid as, almost without exception, you need to have two separate systems at all times, ideally attached to two independent anchors.

 

ATB

Paul

[Steve Bullman]

32 minutes ago, john87 said:

I suppose they are rooted in common sense

You’d think 

[AHPP]

38 minutes ago, AA Teccie (Paul) said:

Hi John,

 

"The rules" are detailed here https://www.trees.org.uk/News-Blog/Latest-News/Tree-work-at-height-–-Regulations-and-guidance

 

 

Your method of work (climbing) would not meet the rules I'm afraid as, almost without exception, you need to have two separate systems at all times, ideally attached to two independent anchors.

 

ATB

Paul

Paul,

 

1. What is the legal status of the guidance in that link?

2. When was the last time you climbed a tree?

 

Don't answer with anything else.

 

1. What is the legal status of the guidance in that link?

2. When was the last time you climbed a tree?

Edited October 23, 2022 by AHPP

[john87]

22 minutes ago, AA Teccie (Paul) said:

Hi John,

 

"The rules" are detailed here https://www.trees.org.uk/News-Blog/Latest-News/Tree-work-at-height-–-Regulations-and-guidance

 

 

Your method of work (climbing) would not meet the rules I'm afraid as, almost without exception, you need to have two separate systems at all times, ideally attached to two independent anchors.

 

ATB

Paul

 

Ok, now i am no expert here VERY VERY far from it, but would not two separate systems attached to the SAME anchor, be plain stupid and pointless???

 

I cannot see it would acheive anything.. For one thing, i would think the weakest link would be the tree itself, the rope etc being strong enough to simply pull the tree over or break it in most cases i would think...

 

Ok, it might help if you were to touch the rope suspending you with the saw, but i would imagine if you did that you would cut two [four??] ropes just as easily???

 

john..

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

31 minutes ago, AHPP said:

Paul,

 

1. What is the legal status of the guidance in that link?

2. When was the last time you climbed a tree?

 

Don't answer with anything else.

 

1. What is the legal status of the guidance in that link?

2. When was the last time you climbed a tree?

1. Industry guidance - has no direct legal status, that is contained in the Work at Height Regulations (but it is guidance endorsed by HSE, the workplace regulator.)

 

2. Some time ago. 

 

Not sure 'what else' I might have answered with.

 

Paul

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

35 minutes ago, john87 said:

 

Ok, now i am no expert here VERY VERY far from it, but would not two separate systems attached to the SAME anchor, be plain stupid and pointless???

 

I cannot see it would acheive anything.. For one thing, i would think the weakest link would be the tree itself, the rope etc being strong enough to simply pull the tree over or break it in most cases i would think...

 

Ok, it might help if you were to touch the rope suspending you with the saw, but i would imagine if you did that you would cut two [four??] ropes just as easily???

 

john..

Two independent anchors should be used wherever possible, which is likely to be in most cases, but the guidance does allow for a shared anchor where 2 separate ones aren't available, i.e. the exception - two systems (primary & backup) on a suitable shared anchor is still deemed to be safer than a single system.

[Bolt]

43 minutes ago, john87 said:

 

Ok, now i am no expert here VERY VERY far from it, but would not two separate systems attached to the SAME anchor, be plain stupid and pointless???

 

Not if you are chogging down a single stem.