Ecodesign stoves

[Alycidon]

2 minutes ago, KH1 said:

I have a Jotul 373 Advance. Very happy with it. There is a screw you can remove if you don't want it to comply with European regs. Very high build quality ( and price !). The airwash system works well to keep the glass clean and when using nice dry ash, the secondary gasification burn is very impressive and entertaining to watch. 

 

Only downside - it is a bit of a pain to strip it and clean...

Arada have a similar screw, removing it could invalidate your warranty should a claim ever arise and if using in a smoke control area could then make the stove non compliant.

 

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[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Alycidon said:

Well thats a step in the right direction,  CE marked, so 2014 compliant but only 71.6% efficient so not good enough for Eco Design 2022,  this needs 75% but given some internal tweaking that may be achievable if there was a desire to do so at Clearview.     Nice clear plate as well,  some are far worse than that.  

 

They are I understand required to state the efficiency on the web site and at a point of sale.

Burley Hollywell  is 82.9% efficiency or 90.4% efficiency if you go for the ECO ready model . I have the older one and cant fault it . Nominal 5KW but must punt out around 7KW on full chat .

[slim reaper]

I have a stove in another room with a much higher efficiency rating  than the Clearview which I reckon uses more fuel and smokes like crazy if the door is opened.

Its not the flue because Ive tried the Clearview in there and its perfect so will be looking out for another CV

[monkeybusiness]

I’ve had two Clearviews, and there are another 3 in my close family. I’ve also got a modern Jotul. 
I’d buy Clearview every time in the future - in my experience they burn extremely well and are incredibly controllable. Well made too.

[Dazza95]

On 10/06/2022 at 09:43, Alycidon said:

The Eco Design regulations are a Europe wide initiative to increase heating efficiency and reduce emissions of green house gases.   They came into effect in the UK in Jan 22 after several years of warning,  the stove manufactures have all complied with the regulations,  except Clearview.

 

In 2014 the building regulations changed,  the minimum level of stove efficiency was raised from 55% to 65% and the maximum levels of emissions were reduced.  All stoves had to be independently tested and have a CE plate affixed to it.     ASs far as I am aware Clearview did not by and large comply with these regulations,  they were the only one.

 

In 2022 the Eco Design regs increased minimum efficiency levels to 75%, and further reduced maximum emissions levels.   There is another level proposed planned for 2025 moving efficiency to 80% and dropping emissions further still..

 

A 2022 compliant stove will be far more efficient than a stove designed even 10 years ago,   have a look at the Stove Industry Alliance web site and social media platforms.

 

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As far as I am aware Clearview stoves are NOT 2022 compliant,  most are not 2014 CE marked either,   no efficiency levels are advised on their web site,  this is a requirement.     There may now be issues with Hetas signing them off as safe to use as they are not proven to be compliant with the current regualtions.

 

To answer quickly your other points,

 

A,  You will NOT be able to close an Ecodesign stove down to the same level as you could an older dirtier less efficient one,   2022 stoves are deisgned to by ultra clean burning,  some oxygen is always being introduced into the firebox.

 

B,  I have read the Clearview statements on their website,  its odd that the rest of the industry Europe wide take a totally opposite view and this can be backed up with independent scientific proof.

 

C, Fellow stove retailers I talk to with Clearview accounts are walking away from them, cant get stock, poor support, one lady I spoke to this week has not had a single delivery this year yet. 

 

My best advice to you is to go to your local independent stove retailer and get hands on with a Charnwood, Arada, Morso,  Esse or Heta.     Their are other decent brands but many are made in China or eastern europe or assembled in the UK from a kit of parts made in those places.      The first five I have given you i act for and know that their products are built from scratch in the UK or Denmark with a possible exception of an odd model.

 

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Thank you, all interesting and good to know.

 

I’m not in the market for a new stove; I was just interested and there’s not a lot of information on what Ecodesign compliant stove are like in practice. 
 

We’re renting at the moment and have a Clearview which was already in place when we moved in. Honestly, we’re very happy with the stove itself, although I do find Cleaview’s stance comes across as somewhat arrogant. 

[Muddy42]

Very interesting. I am looking for a new or used stove, but it must be small or sub 5kw, because its for a small room.

Any recommendations?

Also I am in a remote area and definitely not smoke controlled. I would like a stove where the ecodesign feature can be disabled, allowing slow burning and shut down.

I appreciate what the rules are trying to do but I would prefer to be in control of the air supply to my fire, thank you very much.

[trigger_andy]

Very interesting. I am looking for a new or used stove, but it must be small or sub 5kw, because its for a small room.

Any recommendations?

Also I am in a remote area and definitely not smoke controlled. I would like a stove where the ecodesign feature can be disabled, allowing slow burning and shut down.

I appreciate what the rules are trying to do but I would prefer to be in control of the air supply to my fire, thank you very much.

Sounds like you need a Clearview. 🤣

I’d make them my next choose to support their stance .

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Muddy42 said:

Very interesting. I am looking for a new or used stove, but it must be small or sub 5kw, because its for a small room.

Any recommendations?

Also I am in a remote area and definitely not smoke controlled. I would like a stove where the ecodesign feature can be disabled, allowing slow burning and shut down.

I appreciate what the rules are trying to do but I would prefer to be in control of the air supply to my fire, thank you very much.

Burley Debdale is 4KW .  Slightely smaller than the Hollywell I have . You can have it with or without the cat .

Edited June 12, 2022 by Stubby

[Muddy42]

2 hours ago, Stubby said:

Burley Debdale is 4KW .  Slightely smaller than the Hollywell I have . You can have it with or without the cat .

Thanks I will check them out.  Quite a few are described as "ecodesign ready."  I need to check what that means, hopefully I interpret this as "ready" for a cat or air stop mechanism, that can be removed. I will check before buying.  

[monkeybusiness]

Get a clearview Pioneer 400. They are mint.