Walker killed by cattle....

[Peasgood]

6 hours ago, Macpherson said:

As for myself my mother of 92 is being cared for in her own house by what seems to becoming the new system of private companies gleaning everything

Could be worse, my Mum has little to no care other than what myself and my brother provide. She has needed constant  24 hour care since Christmas and a fair bit right back to September. We are both self employed and no pay while not at work.

Between us we could pay for private care but there is non available. Haven't even seen a McMillan nurse that so many folk praise.

It has been a bloody tough time for all of us.

[Billhook]

7 hours ago, Macpherson said:

 

 

 

Hi John and Richard,

 

Although this is a massive derail of a thread that's about some poor unfortunate person being killed by a cow, I think that the subject that you're discussing could do with it's own thread and with that it might get more participants as I'm sure that many on here are dealing with the same [ to me, by design ] problem with elderly care.

 

As for myself my mother of 92 is being cared for in her own house by what seems to becoming the new system of private companies gleaning everything from folk who worked and paid to the national health system with their life long NI contributions expecting that they would have been taken in with open arms and been cared for and valued by the propaganda that they were led to  believe in, but it seams that in fact they've been duped  and have been dumped for the profit of government passing the financial gain being passed  on to their compatriot's who they ARE in league with.

 

In the UK,  or anywhere else,  if you think for one second that the powers that be have your  best interests at heart you need to get you're you're head right out of you're arse and wake the **************** up, we're being manipulated big style with the new IT spying  abilities that have been made able on  a massive scale by big tech and all it's devious ambitions.

 

As far as the NHS goes, listen and believe what this guy say's.

 

 

 

Perhaps America is not the example to follow,  Maybe Denmark or Sweden?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

On 15/02/2022 at 21:19, difflock said:

Well, go on then, buy yersel a farm.

Since it is such a fooking unbelieveable easy way to make a small fortune.

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you gotta start with a large one, fortune that is.

I had in mind to come back to ya’all on this one Marcus. 
 

As a general rule, there is not a midge’s knacker between what you write and what I think - startlingly aligned 😂

 

Indeed, there was 1 example recently (topic slips my mind) which touched upon the controversial where I actually thought out loud -  I would not have written a single word differently. 
 

I suspect you can read between the lines of my comments on this subject (and previous similar) and recognise that I mean no criticism (not entirely true - since there is often sound basis for much criticism) of those that are actively engaged in ‘working’ the sector but rather the criticism is aimed at the preposterous ‘schemes’ and red tape which seem entirely weighted towards the larger land owner rather than the hands on farmer. 
 

The greatest frustration being the addict like dependence of those in the sector who continue to suckle slavishly at the teat of the NFU which is actually about as far removed from grass roots farming, and as intimately integrated into corporate and governmental complicity as it is possible to be. 

I recall from previous posts of yours (and of my own experience) that we may also agree (in degrees)?that many of these ‘grant schemes’ are either so ludicrous in their administrative complexity and/or qualifying criteria, and that on detailed examination, are almost invariably shown to be little more than cash-cow money pits with no realistic potential to return the tangible benefits they were conceived to deliver - not least of which - because the overinflated staff complement and salary liability of administering them often exceeds the actual money pushed forward to advance the current ludicrous cause (just as likely to be the reversal of the opposite cause which preceded it by 10, 20, 50 years) and that on top of all of that.....  The only peep’s that are likely to put themselves through the various grant application processes are the larger agri businesses that employ office staff solely for this type of administrative role thus even further alienating the ‘hands on’ farmer from the very support which is ‘supposed’ to benefit the grass roots. 
 

But in summary - if I had a large fortune to piss away I’d be much happier to do so knocking back Mojitos in the Caribbean than banging in fence posts in SE Cornwall 😂

 

 

 

 

[john87]

1 hour ago, Peasgood said:

Could be worse, my Mum has little to no care other than what myself and my brother provide. She has needed constant  24 hour care since Christmas and a fair bit right back to September. We are both self employed and no pay while not at work.

Between us we could pay for private care but there is non available. Haven't even seen a McMillan nurse that so many folk praise.

It has been a bloody tough time for all of us.

Ok.. You need to contact social services and do not ask them, TELL THE LYING BASTARDS, that your mum needs an assessment of her needs under section 9 of the care act 2014 and YOU need one for yourself under section 10.

 

They are NOT allowed to "ration" assessments, they are not allowed to make you wait either.. Oh, and they MUST give you a WRITTEN copy of the assessment [they will deny such a thing exists] and then, if she [or you] has/have care needs covered by the act, they MUST then prepare a written care plan [what they are going to do to meet the needs] and give you a written copy too..

 

Assessment of an adult’s needs for care and support..

 

(1)Where it appears to a local authority that an adult may have needs for care and support, the authority must assess—

 

(a)whether the adult does have needs for care and support, and

(b)if the adult does, what those needs are.

 

(2)An assessment under subsection (1) is referred to in this Part as a “needs assessment”.

 

(3)The duty to carry out a needs assessment applies regardless of the authority’s view of—

 

(a)the level of the adult’s needs for care and support, or

(b)the level of the adult’s financial resources.

 

(4)A needs assessment must include an assessment of—

 

(a)the impact of the adult’s needs for care and support on the matters specified in section 1(2),

(b)the outcomes that the adult wishes to achieve in day-to-day life, and

(c)whether, and if so to what extent, the provision of care and support could contribute to the achievement of those outcomes.

 

(5)A local authority, in carrying out a needs assessment, must involve—

 

(a)the adult,

 

(b)any carer that the adult has, and

(c)any person whom the adult asks the authority to involve or, where the adult lacks capacity to ask the authority to do that, any person who appears to the authority to be interested in the adult’s welfare.

(6)When carrying out a needs assessment, a local authority must also consider—

(a)whether, and if so to what extent, matters other than the provision of care and support could contribute to the achievement of the outcomes that the adult wishes to achieve in day-to-day life, and

(b)whether the adult would benefit from the provision of anything under section 2 or 4 or of anything which might be available in the community.

(7)This section is subject to section 11(1) to (4) (refusal by adult of assessment)

 

When it comes to providing care for your mum, they WILL lie and say they have no money, or "we have to apply to the funding panel" and much more bullshit..

 

You need to google the national eligibility criteria, THAT decides what they must do, NOT them or their boss, but, when it comes to her needs, a social worker has the final say, but, they MUST involve specialists as part of the assessment if her needs call for this..

 

As i say, Wales is my area, and if you were here i could email you every act or regulation you needed, but england is not my thing.. Here is some general guidance for you though..

Care and support statutory guidance - GOV.UK

WWW.GOV.UK

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Be warned, it is all HUGELY, unbelievably complicated, and you NEED to buy yourself a book on community care law. There are two you need. One is by Professor Luke Clements, and the other by Michael Mandlestam.

 

They will be about £70 each, but, by god they will help you...

 

Sorry i could not be more help, but this will have pointed you in the right direction..

 

john..

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 minutes ago, john87 said:

Sorry i could not be more help

We may have differed in opinion on some of the core issues of the thread John, but by God your passion and enthusiasm for the care subject is remarkable. 
 

There’s a sense that your passion is borne out of personal experience / pain - if that is the case pal I hope you can gain a sense of reparation by the advice you give to others. 

👍🏻

 

[john87]

1 minute ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

We may have differed in opinion on some of the core issues of the thread John, but by God your passion and enthusiasm for the care subject is remarkable. 
 

There’s a sense that your passion is borne out of personal experience / pain - if that is the case pal I hope you can gain a sense of reparation by the advice you give to others. 

👍🏻

 

Thank you, that means a lot..

 

john..

[Peasgood]

Thank you 

[john87]

5 minutes ago, Peasgood said:

Thank you 

Every social services department has a "duty desk" and a "duty" social worker [so there is always someone there] This means you could telephone them today..

 

A word of advice though, you MUST secretly tape record every single conversation you have with them, as, if you have to go down the legal or complaints route, they WILL lie and conspire together as a team..

 

Your mum might also now qualify for various benefits from the DWP. This [at least in wales] MUST be covered in the assessment. They might well help with this as they will be charging her for help they provide.. The maximum cost in wales would be £100 a week, in england i have no idea..

 

Good luck..

 

john

 

[difflock]

1 hour ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I had in mind to come back to ya’all on this one Marcus. 
 

As a general rule, there is not a midge’s knacker between what you write and what I think - startlingly aligned 😂

 

Indeed, there was 1 example recently (topic slips my mind) which touched upon the controversial where I actually thought out loud -  I would not have written a single word differently. 
 

I suspect you can read between the lines of my comments on this subject (and previous similar) and recognise that I mean no criticism (not entirely true - since there is often sound basis for much criticism) of those that are actively engaged in ‘working’ the sector but rather the criticism is aimed at the preposterous ‘schemes’ and red tape which seem entirely weighted towards the larger land owner rather than the hands on farmer. 
 

The greatest frustration being the addict like dependence of those in the sector who continue to suckle slavishly at the teat of the NFU which is actually about as far removed from grass roots farming, and as intimately integrated into corporate and governmental complicity as it is possible to be. 

I recall from previous posts of yours (and of my own experience) that we may also agree (in degrees)?that many of these ‘grant schemes’ are either so ludicrous in their administrative complexity and/or qualifying criteria, and that on detailed examination, are almost invariably shown to be little more than cash-cow money pits with no realistic potential to return the tangible benefits they were conceived to deliver - not least of which - because the overinflated staff complement and salary liability of administering them often exceeds the actual money pushed forward to advance the current ludicrous cause (just as likely to be the reversal of the opposite cause which preceded it by 10, 20, 50 years) and that on top of all of that.....  The only peep’s that are likely to put themselves through the various grant application processes are the larger agri businesses that employ office staff solely for this type of administrative role thus even further alienating the ‘hands on’ farmer from the very support which is ‘supposed’ to benefit the grass roots. 
 

But in summary - if I had a large fortune to piss away I’d be much happier to do so knocking back Mojitos in the Caribbean than banging in fence posts in SE Cornwall 😂

 

 

 

M

Kevin,

My experiences of farming are essentially 40 year old memories.

Apart from the mostly stupidly long hours manual labour(back then) with zero convivial long evenings in a pub as compensation, my singular condensed memory is the big successful go-getting dairy farmer just up the road, (and more critically upstream from the source of the water for our farm and farmhouse) getting grants to rip many/most hedges out, and then to add insult to injury, a generation later getting even more generous grants to replant hedges. The farmer who let his hedges be, got nowt, twice over. 

Forby that this same farmer regularly and habitually turned the local stream(which had been full of brown trout) into little more than an open sewer to dispose of his unwanted yard run off, slurry and silage seep.

Him being such a big successful go-getting farmer an all 

So I see both sides.

P.S.

To wind up the brother who got the farm, and those other crying farmers driving shiney new Fendt tractors they do not in the slightest need , I am fond of saying, if anybody asks,

"No, I don't farm, I have to work for a living".

Boom boom.

Cheers,

Marcus

 

 

 

 

[Macpherson]

3 hours ago, Peasgood said:

Could be worse, my Mum has little to no care other than what myself and my brother provide. She has needed constant  24 hour care since Christmas and a fair bit right back to September. We are both self employed and no pay while not at work.

Between us we could pay for private care but there is non available. Haven't even seen a McMillan nurse that so many folk praise.

It has been a bloody tough time for all of us.

 

I can't react to your post with an inappropriate emoji, but I totally agree with your reply and understand the strain you're under.

Mine has been through 5 years of hell on earth since having an adverse reaction to a prescription given by her GP who to this day has no interest in helping her.

Luckily for us she was a health professional herself and her pension nearly covers the cost of her care which is still available here in Scotland atm although the system is under great strain with costs rising all the time.

 

I hope each day for an end to my mum's suffering as perhaps you do also for yours... I don't really have the words to say any more on this except that I wish you well and know exactly what you're going through.