Future Firewood Demand Optimism?

[Billhook]

Do as I say, not as I do!

 

NONE of the 30 ministers who attend Cabinet have had £10,000 heat pumps installed at their homes | Daily Mail Online

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[Billhook]

I bought two techno gas cookers years ago from Curry’s for £325 a piece

Each one has four hobs  and two ovens

On Amazon there are equivalent ones for just over £2000 a piece so with I assume special saucepans and other equipment it would mean another £5,000 on the bill

 

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[Woodworks]

36 minutes ago, Billhook said:

Do as I say, not as I do!

 

Goes without saying with this government!

 

The fact they haven't should tell you they are a good idea 😂

[Billhook]

Yes I know it is the Daily Mail, but I have never thought of Humphry’s opinions as being unfair

 

JOHN HUMPHRYS: My heat pump has me left in the cold... but I'm hot and bothered about the PM | Daily Mail Online

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[Stere]

You don't hear  much  about solar thermal hot water theese days?

 

Hardly see any installed sytems around either.

 

 

[nepia]

Like many I constantly face the turning up the heating vs putting on a fleece battle. Hundreds of millions for the govt to hand out thermal vests?  Not that much surely; I've already got mine!

 

Unless I've misunderstood there are many homes simply not suitable for heat pumps - ours for example.  It's a 100-year old timber framed house so our underfloors need ventilation, not insulation - that alone is a fail n the heat pump front.  Then I'd have to double the size of our rads; where the heck would I find the space?  It's a 2-bed house!  But I don't feel too bad; the walls are well insulated, we have decent x2 glazing, a blue flame oil-fired boiler outside the house and the thermostat sits at 17.5C.  There's a logburner in the lounge that's a dinosaur of a horrible Charnley - nominal 8kW, capable of 11kW 🤪 but it sure warms that room.  And it's fuelled by softwood arb arisings that from next year will have 0 carbon miles as I'll start scrapping all the horrible macrocarpa on the place.

 

And all the countless thousands of flats - how on Earth do you heat them with heat pumps!

 

Boris, you're making the usual amount of sense - at least you're consistent

[nepia]

Just now, Stere said:

You don't hear  much  about solar thermal hot water theese days?

 

Hardly see any installed sytems around either.

 

 

Looked into solar at the last house for hot water but was told it was technically very difficult with a sealed system.  We have one here too so maybe one day.

That day may come sooner than I thought actually. The estimates for the small extensions we wanted and applied for were so ridiculous we've withdrawn the application; even the prices for a Sussex barn are silly so perhaps solar could happen...

[Woodworks]

38 minutes ago, Stere said:

You don't hear  much  about solar thermal hot water theese days?

 

Hardly see any installed sytems around either.

 

 

I think PV pretty much killed it. PV became cheap and electricity can be used for multiple things including heating water. 

[Stere]

Kind of guessed that that but solar thermal tubes still alot more efficent near 70% .

 

 

&  PV  makes near zero financial savings or very small benefit after 20yrs  on  the payback calcs since FIT  cuts?

 

Suppose it depends on future lecky prices

[Billhook]

4 hours ago, Stere said:

You don't hear  much  about solar thermal hot water theese days?

 

Hardly see any installed sytems around either.

 

 

I went on an installer's course in Wales about ten years ago which enabled me to buy about 30 solar tubes at a discounted rate

The firm was Navitron, The course was ok and the installation pretty obvious.

The result was excellent and we still use them for heating just the hot water in the Summer months but even at other times it warms the cold water so that the immersion heater or the gas boiler do not have to work so hard.

I have a separate cylinder for the solar and a mixer valve to the other gas/wood/immersion cylinder.so filling a bath on a dull day with tepid water and topping up with very hot water is a big saving on energy.

 

The evacuated tubes are really efficient and if the pump is not working they will boil the water in the manifold on a hot day.

I took a tube out and left it in the sun and measured the temperature on the copper prong which slides into the manifold with my infrared gun at 150 degrees celsius,!

There is a massive difference between these evacuated tubes and some earlier forms of solar heating which basically relied on black panels/pipework

I also put up some solar panels for electricity at about £1000 each but that was the cost of the panels in the early days when we had a 42 pence/unit payment.   Now the panels cost less but the tariff has also been reduced and there has not been as much to crow about as the savings that we make with the tubes.

 

A lot of this alternative energy is the capital cost versus the benefit.   If you can buy a system for reasonable money and install it yourself there is a big difference when you pay a firm to do it for you.

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