Getting rid of ivy!!

[Canal Navvy]

A quick appeal to guerrilla ivy cutters.........

Please look up to see if a climber has been up and reduced the ivy, proper soul destroying spending a couple of hours doing an ivy reduction only to find that someone has subsequently cut the stems at the base 😬

Edited February 17, 2022 by Canal Navvy
Wrong sort of gorilla 😁

[Mick Dempsey]

7 minutes ago, Canal Navvy said:

A quick appeal to gorilla ivy cutters.........

Please look up to see if a climber has been up and reduced the ivy, proper soul destroying spending a couple of hours doing an ivy reduction only to find that someone has subsequently cut the stems at the base 😬

Why? What difference does it make to what your doing?

Just figured it out, you’re saying that you bring the Ivy down to a certain point but not remove. 
Explain the rationale please.

Edited February 17, 2022 by Mick Dempsey

[MattyF]

I don't think I've heard of any thing more pointless ... cut it at the bottom and it will be back up the tree in 3 years anyway.

[Mick Dempsey]

It does seem a bit daft.

 

It is in line with the trend in this business for work that needs to be replicated in ever shorter time frames, thereby increasing the work and revenue. All the time telling the clients they’re wrong and idiotic if they want ‘bang for their buck’

On a French forum a guy posted pictures of a medium size eucalyptus close to a house.

The guy had given it a light internal thin, barely even a season will pass before it’s right back where it was, lots of backslapping all round from his peers about his professionalism etc.

I posted that I thought he’d wasted his time and the clients money, got a bit of stick, a bit of support, thread was withdrawn in the end.

 

But what was the scenario for the coming years for this tree? Pay a tree surgeon every year to do the same, all the time the euc rocketing up to the sky before a topping (heavy reduction whatever) or removal becomes necessary.

 

I’ve said it before, and as I’m off work ill with time to kill I’ll say it again, it’s not just the do as you likey sorts that can give this work a bad name, it’s the light thinners and 1 metre reductions, leaving monoliths in front gardens and other assorted nonsense from the self styled arbs with a conscience that can leave clients feeling bewildered and ripped off.

Edited February 17, 2022 by Mick Dempsey

[Canal Navvy]

2 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Why? What difference does it make to what your doing?

Just figured it out, you’re saying that you bring the Ivy down to a certain point but not remove. 
Explain the rationale please.

A good example was on a narrow path between a canal and a stream, the  trees were getting tall enough to give concerns that they could uproot and empty the canal into the lower level stream. I took a third off the height of the trees that left them completely covered in ivy so then reduced the ivy to let the light into the newly exposed stem to encourage new growth. Some were completely cleared by stem severing and the plan was to observe the difference between the two approaches. The retention of ivy was being evaluated as it is viewed as being valued habitat by the ecologists who have a big say in future permissions 😉

 

[Doug Tait]

22 hours ago, CambridgeJC said:

This weekend is a perfect opportunity for all arborists to report the ratio of trees brought down as heavy with ivy or unaffected by ivy. Just an idea of workload for both types needing clearance after the storms. 
 Images and numbers for all fallen trees would start to provide evidence either caused by ivy or not. Then we have some data even if it rather an uncontrolled experiment. 
Anyone up for this? Ask a friend!!!?

Today's data. Plenty of Ivy on trees in the area but none have suffered damage. All the work was Leylandii with no ivy on it.

 

 

 

This was the only Ivy present on damaged trees.

[daveatdave]

55 minutes ago, Doug Tait said:

Today's data. Plenty of Ivy on trees in the area but none have suffered damage. All the work was Leylandii with no ivy on it.

 

 

 

This was the only Ivy present on damaged trees.

now you have taken the leylandii out it will let the wind in at them 

[Doug Tait]

4 minutes ago, daveatdave said:

now you have taken the leylandii out it will let the wind in at them 

The Leylandii are downwind of the trees with Ivy on them. The area sits in a narrow valley and the prevailing wind travels through the wood to reach them so I wouldn't think they'll be more exposed now.

[CambridgeJC]

Ivy in local trees can develop large cloud-like top growth which acts much more like a sail and has much greater leverage to snap a tree off at its base. Before this the ivy creeps close to the trunk which does not really act as a sail so much. See photos here in Wandlebury. All isolated evergreens will catch the wind but are inherently more resistant due to root structural strength and evolutionary ability to resist leverage forces. Many photos taken before this weekend. Will be keen to review after storms. 

[Mick Dempsey]

What evergreens are you talking about?