How does one keep logs at 20% at this time of year ?????

[Woodworks]

1 minute ago, Scottish Cleaning Service said:

Its definitely the way forward if you are selling logs as a business but the cost of running the kiln would eat up most of the profit. When logs jump in price then it will be cost effective or if you can run one with minimum expense.

Not sure how much energy would be needed to get logs down from 22% to 19% for compliance. Probably not that much and I am sure plenty will pay more for "kiln dried" 

[arboriculturist]

10 hours ago, Paddy1000111 said:

Are they basing this measurement on core humidity or external humidity? If you have a wave form humidity tester that can test upto 40mm deep then that's true humidity but what if they get put outside for a bit and the outer few mil is wet... If you use a pin type tester then its variable. I don't see how they're going to enforce it... 

When Woodsure test your logs they split up to 5 in half with an axe and test the centre of each log to give an average MC.

[difflock]

3 minutes ago, arboriculturist said:

When Woodsure test your logs they split up to 5 in half with an axe and test the centre of each log to give an average MC.

An Axe!

How much training, RA statements  and ambulances-on-standby  are needed to facilitate that endevour!

[arboriculturist]

47 minutes ago, difflock said:

An Axe!

How much training, RA statements  and ambulances-on-standby  are needed to facilitate that endevour!

Perhaps fortunately, they do actually ask you to do the splitting ! 

Edited January 20, 2021 by arboriculturist

[MattyF]

To those of you that had logs down to 20%  say back in October for delivery through this winter,how do you  prevent the moisture content of your logs rising  through the winter months when the relative humidity of the  the outside air is  up to 95% plus most days?  I am sure that unless you have a heated or well insulated shed/barn the relative humidity inside the shed will be very high but perhaps I am incorrect. Personally I would think that the moisture content of processed logs stored in a barn ready for delivery  will fluctuate on an almost daily basis.   I do wonder if any of those people who conjure up  legislation have any hands on experience of dealing with the product that they are dealing with in the legislation.   
A bit like the Environment Agency  staff being so (Dim !!!!) dead against waterways  being kept cleaned out to keep water flowing well,  they cant seem to grasp the fact that a river is like a roof gutter, "If you let the gutter on your shed /house   fill up with leaves it overflows", rant over .   Sadly common sense does not prevail  any more.   
 

Just the way it is I’m afraid ... I don’t even want to measure ours now as it’s depressing that they where below 20% during the summer .. I would say 23% +now .. I’ve found though never to process damp logs as you get massive damp seems of mushrooms.

On the other analogy, Rivers have always flooded ,it’s just we got greedy and built on flood plains and have tried to claim and drain every bit of remaining land possible for agriculture making water flow quicker in to the main systems and flooding more likely.
This Feild was ancient pasture until 4 years ago when they tore it apart it’s structure with 400hp tractors de stoned it and drained it in to the nearest burn which now floods 40 houses then pushes the rest even quicker in to the main Tyne ... our rivers are knacked and I disagree completely that dredging them is the answer it just makes it go quicker to the next problem down stream.

[Woodworks]

38 minutes ago, arboriculturist said:

When Woodsure test your logs they split up to 5 in half with an axe and test the centre of each log to give an average MC.

And remind us how much do they charge for this service? 

[sime42]

Just the way it is I’m afraid ... I don’t even want to measure ours now as it’s depressing that they where below 20% during the summer .. I would say 23% +now .. I’ve found though never to process damp logs as you get massive damp seems of mushrooms.

On the other analogy, Rivers have always flooded ,it’s just we got greedy and built on flood plains and have tried to claim and drain every bit of remaining land possible for agriculture making water flow quicker in to the main systems and flooding more likely.
This Feild was ancient pasture until 4 years ago when they tore it apart it’s structure with 400hp tractors de stoned it and drained it in to the nearest burn which now floods 40 houses then pushes the rest even quicker in to the main Tyne ... our rivers are knacked and I disagree completely that dredging them is the answer it just makes it go quicker to the next problem down stream.

I completely agree with all your sentiments on flooding. It's all a problem of our own making, again. Trying to further control/constrain nature by dredging, straightening and embanking rivers is not the answer,. Instead we need to step back and let the natural environment regulate itself.
Also, we need more beavers! Seriously.

[MattyF]

I completely agree with all your sentiments on flooding. It's all a problem of our own making, again. Trying to further control/constrain nature by dredging, straightening and embanking rivers is not the answer,. Instead we need to step back and let the natural environment regulate itself.
Also, we need more beavers! Seriously.

It will be interesting if farmers take and use the new carbon schemes to plant up these areas that require a lot of effort to drain and would be better suited to trees.. I hope so,the Feild in the picture is a prime example of one that should of never been put in to arable production.

[Woodworks]

3 minutes ago, sime42 said:

I completely agree with all your sentiments on flooding. It's all a problem of our own making, again. Trying to further control/constrain nature by dredging, straightening and embanking rivers is not the answer,. Instead we need to step back and let the natural environment regulate itself.
Also, we need more beavers! Seriously.

On the reverse side of this some farmers including ourselves are moving to mob grazing and other similar techniques which have multiple benefits. Only recently taken on management of my parents small farm and we are already seeing dramatically reduced runoff in wet periods due to the longer sword length.

What is mob grazing?

WWW.SOILASSOCIATION.ORG

 

[arboriculturist]

19 minutes ago, Woodworks said:

And remind us how much do they charge for this service? 

Woodsure

122.40 Registration Fee

385.20 Annual audit

232.80 Point of sale checks (up to 2000m3 annual fee)

Non-compliance fee should a supplier be reported or found to be not complying, likely to be circa. 130 - 230.

Fixed penalty for non-compliance 300.