Covid 19 inconsistencies

[Johnsond]

6 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

It is also plausible to consider that the Summer reduction resulted from the actual previous death of those most vulnerable...  

As has been mentioned the seasonal increase in Flu statistics have hardly raised an eyebrow over the years, indeed it was seen as a part of life and a consequential risk of old age. We have dealt with this for years without the requirement to be dictated to by politicians at every step of the way. What’s new this time around ?? MSM driven hysteria and weak government combined with a seeming desire of many to be told what to do in every aspect of day to day life. 

Edited October 6, 2020 by Johnsond

[Johnsond]

3 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

Yeah I considered that, but really the amount that died although tragic, is not really a huge number on the scale of things...maybe a small dent in the amount of venerable people in the population

Absolutely agree 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

21 minutes ago, Woodworks said:

Show us a country that has let it rip and successfully protected the vulnerable. It's a lovely idea but very hard to do in reality. Far too much crossover or you leave the elderly completely isolated which is impossible. My father is 87 and according to the stats a 15% chance of dying from it. His only contacts during the week are his cleaners and me. The cleaners are young so if they get it they could easily pass it on. Basic masks are not great protection for aerosols which more and more like the main transmission rout. As for numbers I know of four people who have tested positive. All working age and two are fine, one has been is off sick since April and the other is dead. Mrs woodworks works in healthcare and they are maxed out on a good day with no C19. You dont see any of them saying lets let it rip as that is just RIP for many

I totally acknowledge (and respect) the varying degrees of risk aversion at the personal level which are directly associated with any individual's family circumstances.

 

The wife holds a slightly different view from my own (how's that for a liberal forward thinking relationship...  Normally, if I want her to have an opinion I tell her what it's going to be - If she ever saw that BTW I'd be in the so much trouble ?). 

 

The elderly and the vulnerable should, absolutely, be shielded.  Me, I'll make my own decisions on exposure and risk.  We've all gotta go one day and whilst I've no wish to unnecessarily accelerate that, I'm not quivering in fear of the day (I would admit to being a bit worried by dementia or a progressive degenerative condition over and above the natural ageing process though.)

 

 

[Johnsond]

I’d be curious to know hand on heart how many people on here or elsewhere are in reality following the guidelines to the letter. Myself I openly admit not at all, but what I do try and use is common sense. Luckily I live in the sticks which does mitigate the risk of too much social interaction. 

[Steve Bullman]

Just now, Johnsond said:

I’d be curious to know hand on heart how many people on here or elsewhere are in reality following the guidelines to the letter. Myself I openly admit not at all, but what I do try and use is common sense. Luckily I live in the sticks which does mitigate the risk of too much social interaction. 

Mostly, more to shield my parents than anything else. We don't really go out all that much, although do still enjoy eating out once a week. Thats a nicer experience at the moment though anyway due to most places being half empty.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

For balance / consideration:

 

42k UK deaths from covid so far

 

Registered UK disabled figures

 

1990 - 6.9 million

2011/12 - 11.6 million registered disabled

2019 - 13.9 million

2020 - 14.1 million

 

Excess Winter Cold deaths

 

2017/18 50.1k

2018/19 - 25.2k

 

Just a small sample of data  drawn from various online sources some may not be entirely accurate - bit like track and trace - to try and put some perspective on things.

 

Of course preventative measures may have resulted in keeping the relatively low C19 death rate but why so much effort in this situation whilst others that are equally as catastrophic have seemed to go completely under the radar year on year?

 

The registered disabled exponential increase (even adjusted for population growth) must be one of the most worrying facts for the sustainability of any society.  Either there is a massive amount of lead being swung or, as a nation, as a species, our resilience is reducing at at alarming rate..

 

 

 

[Rich Rule]

Track and Trace - Whats to worry about.  FML.

 

Cant even answer a simple question.  

 

 

[Big J]

My ongoing saga with travel to Sweden looks like it'll take another interesting turn this week. Currently there is no restriction on going there, but my wife heard in the media this morning that it might be returned to the red list on Thursday. 

 

What's completely ridiculous is that they are using the figure of 20 cases per 100k people per week as the cut off. Sweden presently has around 30, we have over 100 in the UK. So in travelling to Sweden, we'd be going from a higher risk area to a lower risk area and yet we'd have to quarantine on our return? It's bloody ridiculous! 

 

I'm presently trying to bring my wife around to the point of view that there is no moral or technical case to adhering to any such quarantine restriction, so we're as well to go and just crack on as normal when we get back. I'll quite happily fight them in court about it as any such restriction on my liberty to travel is without any demonstrable reason. Restriction without just cause cannot be justified, and as such is unlawful.

 

To reflect on the contributors from the previous several pages, another lockdown is clearly unworkable and is unlikely to seriously benefit anyone. I believe that the primary reason that the case rate came down over summer is that we had months and months of glorious weather. A modicum of social distancing, coupled with everyone being outside vastly reduced the transmission rate. With the winter looming, it will be more challenging to continue to use outdoor spaces for socialising.

 

We just need to implement a considered and sustainable policy for managing covid through winter. Preventing families and friends from seeing each other (legally) will only result in bad feeling towards any government policy, and compliance will reduce incrementally. This is especially true if there are any further 'Cummings breaches'.

[Khriss]

Seem to remmber the Shengen agreement covers this ? K

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

47 minutes ago, Big J said:

My ongoing saga with travel to Sweden looks like it'll take another interesting turn this week. Currently there is no restriction on going there, but my wife heard in the media this morning that it might be returned to the red list on Thursday. 

 

What's completely ridiculous is that they are using the figure of 20 cases per 100k people per week as the cut off. Sweden presently has around 30, we have over 100 in the UK. So in travelling to Sweden, we'd be going from a higher risk area to a lower risk area and yet we'd have to quarantine on our return? It's bloody ridiculous! 

 

I'm presently trying to bring my wife around to the point of view that there is no moral or technical case to adhering to any such quarantine restriction, so we're as well to go and just crack on as normal when we get back. I'll quite happily fight them in court about it as any such restriction on my liberty to travel is without any demonstrable reason. Restriction without just cause cannot be justified, and as such is unlawful.

 

To reflect on the contributors from the previous several pages, another lockdown is clearly unworkable and is unlikely to seriously benefit anyone. I believe that the primary reason that the case rate came down over summer is that we had months and months of glorious weather. A modicum of social distancing, coupled with everyone being outside vastly reduced the transmission rate. With the winter looming, it will be more challenging to continue to use outdoor spaces for socialising.

 

We just need to implement a considered and sustainable policy for managing covid through winter. Preventing families and friends from seeing each other (legally) will only result in bad feeling towards any government policy, and compliance will reduce incrementally. This is especially true if there are any further 'Cummings breaches'.

Agreed!  I'd change 'incremental' for 'exponential' though...