PM & Health Minister test Positive For Covid-19

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, tree-fancier123 said:

Hopefully PM will have time to consider possible food shortage due to lack of british people willing to throw their lives away doing an honest days farm work for the same money as low skilled sedentary call centre tired gig. New claimants for universal credit, on the farms or no money. People 'heroically' volunteering for NHS. Why not a call to help feed the nation?

Why should British people be expected to work the fields for so little? Before mass immigration from Eastern Europe it was predominantly British people that did the harvesting, myself included. We have grown far to used to food at throw away prices. What we pay for fresh fruit and veg does not reflect the true cost. ID be happy to pay more for fresh food knowing that we where supporting not only the farmers but creating jobs, albeit seasonal, for British people, or whomever is already in the UK. Although the Farmers are somewhat to blame for the system they created of relying on foreign workers and housing them like Battery Chickens. To then call the British people who are not willing to work in those conditions, or for so little is an insult. It would be a massive step backwards to accept that kind of standards.

 

So lets see what the Government and Farmers come up with?  If anything positive comes out of this this could be it. 

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Do you think Borris will know he is entitled to £92,25 a week sick pay !!!!!!! Who is going to tell him ?

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, trigger_andy said:

Why should British people be expected to work the fields for so little? Before mass immigration from Eastern Europe it was predominantly British people that did the harvesting, myself included. We have grown far to used to food at throw away prices. What we pay for fresh fruit and veg does not reflect the true cost. ID be happy to pay more for fresh food knowing that we where supporting not only the farmers but creating jobs, albeit seasonal, for British people, or whomever is already in the UK. Although the Farmers are somewhat to blame for the system they created of relying on foreign workers and housing them like Battery Chickens. To then call the British people who are not willing to work in those conditions, or for so little is an insult. It would be a massive step backwards to accept that kind of standards.

 

So lets see what the Government and Farmers come up with?  If anything positive comes out of this this could be it. 

Since WW2 anyone who doesn't really fancy grafting in wind, drizzle, for a paltry 8.20 an hour can just throw themselves upon the mercy of the state. If its boring and exhausting out in the fields why not just go cap in hand to the authorities, secure in the knowledge housing benefit will save you? 

8.20 an hour isnt nothing. People cant just expect to be guaranteed a comfortable life.

The hardest thing about low wages for farm workers is the seasonality. Around my way there used to be a lot of houses with covenants only for ag workers.  If people dont want to work in 'those conditions' why  should they be allowed to sit at home supported by tax payer money? Lots of jobs are minimum wage or just above. I mean when you look at 40 hours on 8.20 its not going to buy a house, but it would pay the rent in most rural places and put food on the table. We seem ingrained with the idea that only 25 thousand and above is comfortable. Just a small rewind through history of two hundred, or even one hundred years and look at how farm labourers lived. Benefit entitlement is whats caused the labour shortage

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Just now, tree-fancier123 said:

Since WW2 anyone who doesn't really fancy grafting in wind, drizzle, for a paltry 8.20 an hour can just throw themselves upon the mercy of the state.

Yip, it sucks. 

 

Just now, tree-fancier123 said:

If its boring and exhausting out in the fields why not just go cap in hand to the authorities, secure in the knowledge housing benefit will save you? 

Yip it sucks.

 

1 minute ago, tree-fancier123 said:

8.20 an hour isnt nothing. People cant just expect to be guaranteed a comfortable life.

I agree.

 

1 minute ago, tree-fancier123 said:

The hardest thing about low wages for farm workers is the seasonality.

That is an issue. I was brought up picking Daffies, then Daffie Bulbs, then Berries, then Tatties. Our Holidays, at least in Scotland are based around the harvests. Im 40, so we're not talking about a vastly long time ago, and there was a lot of adults supplementing either their income or benefits by working the harvests. What's changed? Well, I think you've highlighted that above.

 

4 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

If people dont want to work in 'those conditions' why  should they be allowed to sit at home supported by tax payer money?

I agree.

 

4 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

Lots of jobs are minimum wage or just above. I mean when you look at 40 hours on 8.20 its not going to buy a house, but it would pay the rent in most rural places and put food on the table.

Correct. Does not even need to be the main Bread Winners income. It could be a supplementary wage. 

 

6 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

We seem ingrained with the idea that only 25 thousand and above is comfortable. Just a small rewind through history of two hundred, or even one hundred years and look at how farm labourers lived. Benefit entitlement is whats caused the labour shortage

Completely agree.

 

Too many bleeding hearts unfortunately, making it very difficult for any government to fix this. 

[tree-fancier123]

33 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

 I was brought up picking Daffies, then Daffie Bulbs, then Berries, then Tatties. Our Holidays, at least in Scotland are based around the harvests. Im 40, so we're not talking about a vastly long time ago.

 so you've done your national service and can now enjoy your opulent and sybaritic lifestyle almost guilt free

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Just now, tree-fancier123 said:

 so you've done your national service and can now enjoy your opulent and sybaritic lifestyle almost guilt free

Nothing quiet beats the feeling of having your fingers swollen and infected from pushing them below the earth to get the required length on the Daffies. Or the Rubber Band fights at break time.

[Matthew Storrs]

1 hour ago, trigger_andy said:

Why should British people be expected to work the fields for so little? Before mass immigration from Eastern Europe it was predominantly British people that did the harvesting, myself included. We have grown far to used to food at throw away prices. What we pay for fresh fruit and veg does not reflect the true cost. ID be happy to pay more for fresh food knowing that we where supporting not only the farmers but creating jobs, albeit seasonal, for British people, or whomever is already in the UK. Although the Farmers are somewhat to blame for the system they created of relying on foreign workers and housing them like Battery Chickens. To then call the British people who are not willing to work in those conditions, or for so little is an insult. It would be a massive step backwards to accept that kind of standards.

 

So lets see what the Government and Farmers come up with?  If anything positive comes out of this this could be it. 

You get a lot of stick on this forum and sometimes rightly so- but you don’t half talk sense sometimes! ? 

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, Matthew Storrs said:

You get a lot of stick on this forum and sometimes rightly so- but you don’t half talk sense sometimes! ? 

Yeh, I get that a lot.  

 

The meme below kinda sums it up.  

[Matthew Storrs]

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

Yeh, I get that a lot.  

 

The meme below kinda sums it up.  

Modest too- you really are the whole package! ? 

[eggsarascal]

That's a cracker, Matthew.