Covid-19

[Mull]

One day you can say that to my face and Im looking forward to that. [emoji4] 

Which bit?[emoji848][emoji1]

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, Mesterh said:

 

I wouldn't trust the advice from half the people on here on how to fell an elderberry in my back garden and it's an arb forum.

 I like that one.

[Mull]

Very very poor in every way. 

Great response[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]

[Johnsond]

5 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

Well for one we need to define who is vulnerable, that list could be very long if you start taking long covid victims into account and if you do how do you identify them for a start. If we are protecting them by locking them away then we have to lock away the people they live with and their careers, that's going to be a hell of a lot of people not going to work, not going to school not going anywhere. Who atm is locked away, I'm not you're not and a good proportion of the UK aren't confined to their house atm so there is no ethical dilemma there.

 

As we all lockdowns are bad for the reasons you describe but surely this has been weighed up against the outcome if there wasn't lockdowns by the people who specialise in economics and health care, we aren't qualified to make those decisions. 

 

As it's already been mentioned it's not all about the numbers of people who die of covid it's the impact it would have if huge numbers of people where infected at the same time.

 

None of us here are qualified to make these decisions, yes we can speculate and debate them but really none of us have a clue on the best course to take for the greater good. 

 

I wouldn't trust the advice from half the people on here on how to fell an elderberry in my back garden and it's an arb forum.

There was no opportunity to weigh up the pros and cons due to the absolute hysteria from the very start of this and the demands for action from politicians whom seemed hell bent on trying to outdo each other in the severity of restrictions scale. The comments ref who’s locked up now ie you aren’t etc is totally ignoring all the evidence that is starting to appear finally ref the damage this is causing. 

[Johnsond]

3 minutes ago, Mull said:

 

Great response

 

Not sure if you are on the Buckfast again but the post was in poor taste simple as that. 

[Mesterh]

8 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

Do you not think there is a conflict of interest when the very people who are advising and have a great deal of leverage when it comes to the measures we're having to live under are set to make a substantial amount of money from what they recommend? 

 

I don't think openly questioning this is within the realms of crazed conspiracy theories. 

 

I know I keep banging this drum but here in Norway we're not living under the same harsh measures and the infection and death raters are lower than the UK. How could this possibly be? The Norwegian Government has just announced that Winter Holidays are still on as long as they are taken within the country. That's trips to your cabin and also the very busy ski center's and of course masks are still not enforced unless on public transport. So when these people take their holiday to another part of Norway and take a flight they have to wear a mask for the hour or so they're on the flight. And I fully get that. But Norway is not grinding their country to their knee's. People still have a lot of freedom and on the most part businesses can continue to function. And again the infection rates are lower than the UK. 

 

So forgive me when I question SAGE and the measures that they are pushing the UK Government to implement and also question the apparent conflict of interest that may or may not be there. But I do believe that it should be questioned and not scoffed.  

So what vested interests do they have and what decisions are they pushing through?

 

If I go to the docs I trust his advice, I don't start to question which brand of drugs he is recommending. If I used duck duck go to search my ailments I'm sure I could find plenty of differing options and eventually find something damming my doctors practice and find something I like.

 

Sometimes we need to just trust other people that know better than we do, if the vast majority of experts agree then so much the better.

 

[Mull]

There was no opportunity to weigh up the pros and cons due to the absolute hysteria from the very start of this and the demands for action from politicians whom seemed hell bent on trying to outdo each other in the severity of restrictions scale. The comments ref who’s locked up now ie you aren’t etc is totally ignoring all the evidence that is starting to appear finally ref the damage this is causing. 

So johnsond, there was “no opportunity “, why not? Are you of the thinking that there was?
You also say that the “evidence” is starting to appear now! Can you act on this evidence before now?

[Mull]

Not sure if you are on the Buckfast again but the post was in poor taste simple as that. 

Oh, behave, you silly wee man.🤣🤣

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Mesterh said:

So what vested interests do they have and what decisions are they pushing through?

 

If I go to the docs I trust his advice, I don't start to question which brand of drugs he is recommending. If I used duck duck go to search my ailments I'm sure I could find plenty of differing options and eventually find something damming my doctors practice and find something I like.

 

Sometimes we need to just trust other people that know better than we do, if the vast majority of experts agree then so much the better.

 

Conflicts of interest among the UK government’s covid-19 advisers

WWW.BMJ.COM

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Little is known about the interests of the doctors, scientists, and academics on whose advice the UK government relies to...

 

 

I really dont know why I continue to spood feed you knowing full well you're gonna cook up some half arsed apologist response. 

 

But the link is from the British Medical Journal so hopefully you'll actually take the time to read through it and digest it instead of automatically poo-pooing it simply because of who posted it. 

 

[sime42]

Safety in numbers don’t be such a tit  [emoji23], Not at all but when the wind is blowing that way you certainly seem to like trying to group me and Andy together 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️. 
The explanations of alternative directions have been given time and time again by many on here not just your two favourites [emoji8]

Obviously there are plenty of others that share your viewpoints. I'm not intentionally focusing on you pair. It's just very hard not to when you're by far the most prominent in terms of volume of posts and belligerence of tone within them. Other people espousing similar opinions do so in a much more reasonable manner.
Besides you've said a few times now that you welcome "robust" debates. One could almost be mistaken for thinking that you actually enjoy them, your partner in crime in particular! If ever there is an argument ensuing on here Mr Trigger is normally to be found at the centre of it. Regardless of the subject.