Twin Rope Hazard (Self Rescue)

[Bolt]

9 hours ago, Bolt said:

An assessor doing an NPTC 308 assessment has a couple of hours tops to draw an impression of whether someone is cut out to do aerial chainsaw.

 

What is more, the assessors job is to judge against a published criteria, not to judge the employability of a candidate.

An employer has days / weeks / months to build a relationship with a worker and judge their suitability... surely employers are in a better position to ‘filter people out’ before they fuck themselves and the rest of us over?

 

 

But employers with large staff turnovers don’t do that. They’re looking for the next member of staff to fulfil the contract they.... underpriced.

 

An employer has a legal obligation to provide competent staff.

 

This goes way beyond just training and includes experience, aptitude, and physical ability.

 

Although employers should be giving this their utmost attention, far too many (from the large to the small) are too busy being fixated in a financial race to the bottom.

 

Climbing up a tree, with a second long rope, may not go very far in fixing that.

 

Edited December 23, 2019 by Bolt

[Marc]

13 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

What’s it for? To prevent avoidable death and injury.

I reckon lots of experienced climbers fall out of trees, cut their ropes and generally fuck up as frequently as inexperienced ones.

No experienced climbers don't fall out of trees, what ever would make you say this?

 

 

Its almost like saying even experienced rope access professionals will occasionally fall off the side of a building and generally fuck up from time to time.

 

It should not happen period, and it does not happen when you are working to a high standard.

 

Edited December 23, 2019 by Marc

[Svts]

Hope the aa chap is taking this all in. Just maybe this daft 2 rope will be a catalyst the industry needs. 

Or will the aa just ignore the real issues and let the big boys carry on with the shambolic box ticking compliance, ensuring they can tender silly prices and keep the industry on its knees. 

 

 

[Mick Dempsey]

1 hour ago, Marc said:

 

 

 

Its almost like saying even experienced rope access professionals will occasionally fall off the side of a building and generally fuck up from time to time.

 

 

 

No they don’t occasionally fall off the side of a building’

 

You know why? They use two ropes.

 

[Marc]

23 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

No they don’t occasionally fall off the side of a building’

 

You know why? They use two ropes.

 

You sure? I see a lot of industrial access workers on one line/work restraint/positioning systems.

 

Also the second line is just a follow, with one primary working line. This is fall protection, how often do primary’s fail in which case self rescue isn’t possible. I’d hazard remarkably low.

 

its the idea that a fall is expected I disagree with.

 

Edited December 23, 2019 by Marc

[difflock]

Hmmm,

To chime in with a complete outsiders perspective, those who climb mostly, overlarge, overage, rotten and hazardous trees to cut chunks off, bytimes overlarge chunks,  with powerful sharp and potentially lethal tools,

as fast as possible, in ALL weathers,

because so many are self employed, and mostly with an excess of youthful testosterone, alcohol and drugs.(this impression formed by reading this forum for a good number of years)

HAS to be one of the most hazardous jobs out there.

Small boat fishermen are probably the only equal for hazardous occupations,

where the person at risk makes the "on the spot" decisions, which affect their own survivability.

Simples!

Edited December 23, 2019 by difflock

[Bolt]

@difflock

 

:- )

Edited December 23, 2019 by Bolt

[Marc]

12 minutes ago, difflock said:

Hmmm,

To chime in with a complete outsiders perspective, those who climb mostly, overlarge, overage, rotten and hazardous trees to cut chunks off, bytimes overlarge chunks,  with powerful sharp and potentially lethal tools,

as fast as possible, in ALL weathers,

because so many are self employed, and mostly with an excess of youthful testosterone, alcohol and drugs.(this impression formed by reading this forum for a good number of years)

HAS to be one of the most hazardous jobs out there.

Small boat fishermen are probably the only equal for hazardous occupations,

where the person at risk makes the "on the spot" decisions, which affect their own survivability.

Simples!

That is what you read here, but not the case with the minority of professional climbing arborists.

[Svts]

3 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

No they don’t occasionally fall off the side of a building’

 

You know why? They use two ropes.

 

Yes they do use two ropes. However unlike arb work they are also subject to a rigourously enforced system of control. Various levels depending on hours and work logged are subject to strict supervision. Rope systems are set up and monitored ed  by higher level ops. Not a few days course covering basics then let loose to get out of your depth and hurt yourself. 

Comeplety different ball game from my experience. 

[Mick Dempsey]

There are many similarities.