What is it?

[trigger_andy]

That's one way of looking at it, the other way would be to not let companies get away with paying rubbish money while avoiding paying tax and making huge profits. That way we the tax payer wouldn't have to top up wages, Labour have suggested this many times but the Conservatives have said no way. The other thing you've seemed to overlook is who would do the menial jobs if everyone had a great education, foreigners?

There will always be the lazy and the feckless. Always. There will always be those that don’t want or can’t handle high profile jobs. There is mother’s, or fathers that don’t want to work full time and are happy with a job in Tesco’s. The reality is not everyone is interested, intelligent enough or driven enough to earn a position that pays the wages they command. When there is over 50% of the population on benefits there is plenty of scope to cut their benefits till working for a roof over their heads and food their and their kids bellies. No one should live life long expecting others to fund them.

Putting menial jobs wages up simply does not work. 1. It’s simply not deserved. 2. Corps won’t make less profit, they just put their prices up and going from £8 to £12 an hour is cancelled out. So what will Labour do then? Oh I know! They’ll say higher earners need to pay their fair share, they are a broken record. Did the last Labour government do as you suggest? No, they where to busy starting illegal wars and bumping off Doctors. What Corbin proposes is sheer lunacy that their members are leaving in droves and telling people to vote Tory. Bottom line is life’s not fair.

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

 

There will always be the lazy and the feckless. Always. There will always be those that don’t want or can’t handle high profile jobs. There is mother’s, or fathers that don’t want to work full time and are happy with a job in Tesco’s. The reality is not everyone is interested, intelligent enough or driven enough to earn a position that pays the wages they command. When there is over 50% of the population on benefits there is plenty of scope to cut their benefits till working for a roof over their heads and food their and their kids bellies. No one should live life long expecting others to fund them.

Putting menial jobs wages up simply does not work. 1. It’s simply not deserved. 2. Corps won’t make less profit, they just put their prices up and going from £8 to £12 an hour is cancelled out. So what will Labour do then? Oh I know! They’ll say higher earners need to pay their fair share, they are a broken record. Did the last Labour government do as you suggest? No, they where to busy starting illegal wars and bumping off Doctors. What Corbin proposes is sheer lunacy that their members are leaving in droves and telling people to vote Tory. Bottom line is life’s not fair.

 

I'm not so sure companies like Acado/Waitrose (for example) would get away with putting their prices up if they were forced to pay more, people are shopping more and more in the cheaper supermarkets, fact.

 

I agree some of the things Corbyn is proposing are sheer lunacy. Have you heard/read me supporting him?

[trigger_andy]

I'm not so sure companies like Acado/Waitrose (for example) would get away with putting their prices up if they were forced to pay more, people are shopping more and more in the cheaper supermarkets, fact.
 
I agree some of the things Corbyn is proposing are sheer lunacy. Have you heard/read me supporting him?

Every company forced to pay a higher wage would put prices up. More money in people’s pockets alone would see this happen.

[aspenarb]

23 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

If companies employ people on the minimum wage then expect the rest of us to pay in work benefits to said people what is it. Is it Socialism, or is it Capatilism?

 

My thoughts are, if you can't afford to pay people a living wage and they need to take handouts from the government (us) the business isn't sustainable. Now, I realise the argument will be, "it's better to give some ,'a bit', rather than giving everyone of those workers more, but is it right that big companies draw big profits while the rest of us top up their labour force?

 

`z If these people are worth more than the minimum wage they will find it working elsewhere, if they don't have the nouse to go and get it they were probably not worth it in the first place. For the business its neither socialism or capitalism its economics.Without a profit it wouldn't be there long ,the supposed underpaid would then become the unemployed and a bigger burden to the state. From the governments perspective topping up/subsidising a workers wage is the lesser of two evils.No easy fix for manufacturers in the UK that have a workforce burdened with high living costs and cheap imports driving down the cost of produce.

 

Bob

Edited November 8, 2019 by aspenarb
because he has fat fingers

[eggsarascal]

On 08/11/2019 at 21:11, aspenarb said:

 

`z If these people are worth more than the minimum wage they will find it working elsewhere, if they don't have the nouse to go and get it they were probably not worth it in the first place. For the business its neither socialism or capitalism its economics.Without a profit it wouldn't be there long ,the supposed underpaid would then become the unemployed and a bigger burden to the state. From the governments perspective topping up/subsidising a workers wage is the lesser of two evils.No easy fix for manufacturers in the UK that have a workforce burdened with high living costs and cheap imports driving down the costs of products.

 

Bob

Yes b0D, I understand that. What you've just done is stop me tying Andy in knots. We have to subsidise wages, he doesn't like that yet he wouldn't like to pay more due to mass unemployment. I was playing the long game!

 

What pisses me off with Andy is he thinks everyone left of centre is a bone idle fucking moron. I'm not blowing my own but I've earned (what I consider) good money this week, to get it I've done just over 1000 miles before I've done the graft, I've worked on systems that would have a lot of pump lads scratching their heads, to me its bread n butter but, because I'm left of centre I'm thrown into the bone idle moron category.

[trigger_andy]

Yes b0D, I understand that. What you've just done is stop me tying Andy in knots. We have to subsidise wages, he doesn't like that yet he wouldn't like to pay more due to mass unemployment. I was playing the long game!
 
What pisses me off with Andy is he thinks everyone left of centre is a bone idle fucking moron. I'm not blowing my own but I've earned (what I consider) good money this week, to get it I've done just over 1000 miles before I've done the graft, I've worked on systems that would have a lot of pump lads scratching their heads, to me its bread n butter but, because I'm left of centre I'm thrown into the bone idle fucking moron category.

Don’t flatter yourself Eggy. You’re not as nearly as intelligent as you think you are.

[Stere]

Even some millionaires are commies & want to pay more tax:

 

https://patrioticmillionaires.org/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[eggsarascal]

2 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

 

 

Don’t flatter yourself Eggy. You’re not as nearly as intelligent as you think you are.

 

 

Ok, we all know you are the sharpest tool in the box.

[eggsarascal]

Just now, trigger_andy said:

 

Sharper than an ex-con who lives in a caravan? Maybe?

 

Who lives in a caravan?

[aspenarb]

38 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

I'm not blowing my own but I've earned (what I consider) good money this week, to get it I've done just over 1000 miles before I've done the graft,

Top tip `z, buy a new satnav

 

8oD