What is it?

[eggsarascal]

If companies employ people on the minimum wage then expect the rest of us to pay in work benefits to said people what is it. Is it Socialism, or is it Capatilism?

 

My thoughts are, if you can't afford to pay people a living wage and they need to take handouts from the government (us) the business isn't sustainable. Now, I realise the argument will be, "it's better to give some ,'a bit', rather than giving everyone of those workers more, but is it right that big companies draw big profits while the rest of us top up their labour force?

[Paul Cleaver]

10 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

If companies employ people on the minimum wage then expect the rest of us to pay in work benefits to said people what is it. Is it Socialism, or is it Capatilism?

 

My thoughts are, if you can't afford to pay people a living wage and they need to take handouts from the government (us) the business isn't sustainable. Now, I realise the argument will be, "it's better to give some ,'a bit', rather than giving everyone of those workers more, but is it right that big companies draw big profits while the rest of us top up their labour force?

Not a  big political aficionado at all but it seems the government seems to cleverly weave political ideologies  to suit themselves without being pigeon holed. I think over the last couple of decades with the help of technology, they have more control  over our lives.  In particular the Brexit scandal,  we have moved closer to communism.

[Stere]

Maybe the minimum  wage should be alot  higher?

 

Problem is housing is so unaffordable so goverment has to pay people rents to private landlords who are are making billions from housing benefit

 

Private landlords get £9.3bn in housing benefit from taxpayer, says report | Politics | The Guardian

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Amount is nearly double what was paid 10 years ago according to National Housing Federation study

 

So i for an answer too the original question,,,,

 

It's socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest of us in Britain | Books | The Guardian

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Who are the real scroungers? Free-marketeers decry 'big government' yet the City and big business benefit hugely...

 

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by Stere

[Richard 1234]

4 minutes ago, Stere said:

Maybe the minimum  wage should be alot  higher?

 

Problem is housing is so unaffordable so goverment has to pay people rents to private landlords who are are making billions from housing benefit

 

Private landlords get £9.3bn in housing benefit from taxpayer, says report | Politics | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Amount is nearly double what was paid 10 years ago according to National Housing Federation study

 

Housing is the big problem I agree. 
the government could fix it by building more council houses and also changing planning rules by releasing land. There is plenty left untouched and still could be plenty left. 
my  view is they can’t do the second (and arguably the first) because it would crash the property market. No bad thing in some respects until those that have managed to buy end up in massive negative equity. 

[Paul Cleaver]

On 07/11/2019 at 22:38, Stere said:

Maybe the minimum  wage should be alot  higher?

 

Problem is housing is so unaffordable so goverment has to pay people rents to private landlords who are are making billions from housing benefit

 

Private landlords get £9.3bn in housing benefit from taxpayer, says report | Politics | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Amount is nearly double what was paid 10 years ago according to National Housing Federation study

 

Or instead of raising the minimum wage and possibly increasing inflation, they should be using money to help the buying of houses more affordable. The country is  we are stuck in maelstrom with no way out.

[Stere]

Or rent control like USA or germany?

 

Rent regulation - Wikipedia

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[Stere]

Off course in a pure captalist system the low wage workers would just sleep in the street or illegal slum shacks like in India or many other third world countries without  welfare systems.

 

Actually many homeless in UK do work full time

 

Shelter warns of leap in working homeless as families struggle | Society | The Guardian

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Charity blames high rents, freeze in housing benefit and shortage of social housing

 

 

[openspaceman]

22 minutes ago, Richard 1234 said:

Housing is the big problem I agree. 
the government could fix it by building more council houses and also changing planning rules by releasing land.

They cannot fix it any more than they can fix the current problem simply because it is the result of a poor government policy  decision over 30 years ago.

[eggsarascal]

14 minutes ago, Richard 1234 said:

Housing is the big problem I agree. 
the government could fix it by building more council houses and also changing planning rules by releasing land. There is plenty left untouched and still could be plenty left. 
my  view is they can’t do the second (and arguably the first) because it would crash the property market. No bad thing in some respects until those that have managed to buy end up in massive negative equity. 

Just remind me who did away with council housing and the building of new council houses whilst tendering all the remedial work out to contractors that made a fortune out of the contracts. Also could you explain how the councils could release land, (at least around here) that  private developers bought up, or have owned for years and have sat on for years waiting for the price of land to go up.

[Stere]

Another problem is many houses that do exist are in the wrong place post industrial towns with few decent  jobs but people can't afford to move, conversely areas were better jobs have massive housing shortage/unaffordable housing.

 

Maybe there needs to be council mobile homes so people can afford to relocate  were the work is.

 

More travellers! ?

Edited November 7, 2019 by Stere