Background to the HSE decision on two rope working

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 minutes ago, dumper said:

Can someone enlighten me,if the industry refuses to follow the approved code of practice and AA say it’s wrong how can it be enforced surely it’s no longer approved?

If the majority opinion is anything to go by (it’s not Brexit after all) the AA will have to reverse their previous nelsonian blind eye approach and insist upon 2 ropes at all future accreditation assessments which will either result in:

 

(a) a massive uptake of 2 line climbing, (b) a massive uptake of 2 line climbing for assessment which is then immediately discarded for day-to-day Ops or 

(c) a massive drop off of professional outfits seeking accreditation. 

 

 

[eggsarascal]

It sounds like you lads aren't impressed by this, would I be correct to assume this?

 

It's always brought on by the big outfits (utilities) who have many chair polishers who need to justify their jobs, and ensure back covering. It sounds like the AA have buckled under the weight of the HSE, what's the point of having an association if they won't stand up to these people and fight your corner? I've read all this thread and appreciate what Paul has said but it still sounds like the AA folded too early.

Edited September 7, 2019 by eggsarascal

[Steve Bullman]

Will also make climbing competitions even more boring to watch, or will they be exempt?

[dumper]

2 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

Will also make climbing competitions even more boring to watch, or will they be exempt?

Climbing completions they might as well use a cherry picker

Edited September 7, 2019 by dumper
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[Konstantly]

18 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

If the majority opinion is anything to go by (it’s not Brexit after all) the AA will have to reverse their previous nelsonian blind eye approach and insist upon 2 ropes at all future accreditation assessments which will either result in:

 

(a) a massive uptake of 2 line climbing, (b) a massive uptake of 2 line climbing for assessment which is then immediately discarded for day-to-day Ops or 

(c) a massive drop off of professional outfits seeking accreditation. 

 

 

? I envisage opinions b and c being taken up by a lot of smaller to medium sized companys. 

Leave the domestic/small land owner market to the currently unsafe complyers of legislation that are currently accredited.

The larger companies can chase the local authorities, highway, building  and larger poor profit tenders.. 

[Konstantly]

12 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

Will also make climbing competitions even more boring to watch, or will they be exempt?

Not if their sponsored by redbull as a sport ?

[Konstantly]

15 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

It sounds like you lads aren't impressed by this, would I be correct to assume this?

 

It's always brought on by the big outfits (utilities) who have many chair polishers who need to justify their jobs, and ensure back covering. It sounds like the AA have buckled under the weight of the HSE, what's the point of having an association if they won't stand up to these people and fight your corner? I've read all this thread and appreciate what Paul has said but it still sounds like the AA folded too early.

Not sure the AA had a choice tbf. 

Uphill battle. When facing an foe who had a massive fortresses and big guns, what chance dose a man with a sling shot have... hold on.. I'm sure a story about this has been written before ??

[Pete Mctree]

If common sense were to prevail then the AA will refuse the HSE's recommendations as not fit for purpose.

In the new ACOP they would carefully redefine srt as "static line work positioning".

It will probably be unavoidable that single line access will require a backup.

Two rope working would be advised when it was deemed necessary and the operation and scenario allow it.

 

will never happen though 

 

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

Gents, the progression of the discussion has now “exceeded my pay grade”, as they say, but I can reassure you the HSE have been made aware of this thread as have my superiors (and they’re very well aware of your major concerns n reasons why.) 

Hence, for the time being, I’m going to depart from the thread and concentrate on delivering our international conference at Exeter for the next 4-days.

All your comments are noted, and valued, even if not responded to directly.

Thanks all..

Paul

[Konstantly]

6 minutes ago, Pete Mctree said:

If common sense were to prevail then the AA will refuse the HSE's recommendations as not fit for purpose.

In the new ACOP they would carefully redefine srt as "static line work positioning".

It will probably be unavoidable that single line access will require a backup.

Two rope working would be advised when it was deemed necessary and the operation and scenario allow it.

 

will never happen though as common sense is dead.

 

LANTRA has a new SRWP out that I believe covers single rope work, providing a rigours risk assessment has been carried out prior to work methods being implemented. 

Not sure what the risk assessment initials as yet. Hope to find out soon?