Wind blown trees

[Ryanfalkland]

Hi All,

 

I am trying to create an action plan for the removal of windblown trees on a new proposed mountain bike park in Fife. I need to write method statement and risk assessment to accompany this plan. 

 

I have plenty of experience creating RAMS and have all the templates at my finger tips but i am unfamiliar with chainsaw operations and the removal of windblown trees. 

 

I would be extremely if someone could send me an example method statement and risk assessment for this specific task.

 

We are a charity on the verge of creating a top bike park in Falkland, Fife. We rely on the good will of others to make things happen. We must react quickly to windblown trees across the trails and must submit a plan of action to the land owner to prove we are able to do so.

 

I have 2 volunteers fully qualified to carry out the work i just need to do the Paper work and im sorted.

 

Please help.

 

[spuddog0507]

morning as a cutter who does a fair amount of wind blown clearance i can not see how you can write a method statement and risk ascessment on clearing windblown trees when you have told us that you are unfamiliar with chainsaws and windblown clearance, from my many years in windblown clearance i can tell you that nithere you or me could write what you need with out being there looking at the job in hand as every tree will act differently and as cutting in windblown is one of the most dangerous jobs you will come across in forestry work, the trees if cut wrong can create a very dangerous situation for the cutter and let me stress a 2 tonne tree under tension when severed will not stop and wait for the cutter to move out of the way, there is a lot to be considdered and predicted by the cutter in windblown and its not a job for the faint hearted, best addvise i could give you is take the volunteers with you to ascess the site and ask there expieriance and you take notes on what they are telling you and then write it up, from my past expierence its usually the cutter that does the risk ascessment and method satement not some one who knows nothing about the task in hand, both yourself and your volunteer cutters be carefull as there is a little more to this task than most people realise, good luck and stay safe, 

[Ryanfalkland]

Ok good advice thanks.

 

Our cutters are very experienced so no problem there. 

 

Ive been in the construction industry long enough to know about competency and experience and would not take this task on without thinking it through.  

 

I am fully aware that you cannot properly complete a risk assessment without seeing the task at hand however, i would assume that most of the risks are generic, these are the ones i would like to know. I want to create a template with all the foreseeable / generic risks in place so that when we come to do the job there is minimal delay. At this point we can assess the job and add it to the partially completed template. 

 

Your completely right, i couldn't possibly write the RAMS on my own hence this conversation.  

 

Thanks.

 

 

[Spruce Pirate]

Why aren't your cutters doing this for you?

 

Sit down with them and the relevant FISA guide and you should be able to knock something up as a generic.  Leave plenty of space for writing up the job specific details as each tree could be very very different depending size, species, location etc.

[agrimog]

every cut on a multiple windblow site changes the risk, it is one of the most fluid risks in forestry, and immpossible to write a generic risk assesment for.........it is what is termed a "suck it and see" job, 99% looking and assesing and 1% cutting-

[Rough Hewn]

Ask your 2 "highly qualified volunteers "[emoji848]
They should have all the answers you need.[emoji23]
Or qualified but completely inexperienced?[emoji57]
Maybe get a professional who is experienced?
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[jfc]

Hi,

Some good advice above.

I know a guy who lives nearby with windblow tickets and into biking. Niall C. I will message him and see if he is able to help.

The arb association used to have rams templates available to download, think you need to be a member to access them now.

Is this on Falkland Estate?

I'd love to see more mtb trails in Fife.

Cheers,

Jan.

[spuddog0507]

7 hours ago, Ryanfalkland said:

Ok good advice thanks.

 

Our cutters are very experienced so no problem there. 

 

Ive been in the construction industry long enough to know about competency and experience and would not take this task on without thinking it through.  

 

I am fully aware that you cannot properly complete a risk assessment without seeing the task at hand however, i would assume that most of the risks are generic, these are the ones i would like to know. I want to create a template with all the foreseeable / generic risks in place so that when we come to do the job there is minimal delay. At this point we can assess the job and add it to the partially completed template. 

 

Your completely right, i couldn't possibly write the RAMS on my own hence this conversation.  

 

Thanks.

 

 

sorry i cant see how you can write a template for any forestry job and use it time after time as every job and job site hold different hazzards i.e ground conditions,gradeant,loose rocks etc you get the picture, i have been writing risk assessments with in forestry work now for quite a few years and if i had a pound for every one i have done i would be quite well off, just after christmas i wrote some thing on a risk assessment that i have never written before and that was very very wet spongey ground with very high water content then had to ammend this after lunch, with up to our knees in water as the moss layer on the surface started to break up hence 2 off us piss wet through, are these cutters ticketed up for windblown ? or just some lads with a saw ticket like CS31 ? as i said before it should be the cutters with the expierance doing the risk assessment as they should know what they are looking at and know the risks if they do this task on a regular basis.

[Ryanfalkland]

6 hours ago, Rough Hewn said:

Ask your 2 "highly qualified volunteers "
They should have all the answers you need.
Or qualified but completely inexperienced?
Maybe get a professional who is experienced?

Finally the one has arrived. You took your time. You know nothing about me and the cutters i have on board. These guys are volunteers and i want to minimise their workload thats all. Cheers for your shite input helmet. 

[stihlmadasever]

4 minutes ago, Ryanfalkland said:

Finally the one has arrived. You took your time. You know nothing about me and the cutters i have on board. These guys are volunteers and i want to minimise their workload thats all. Cheers for your shite input helmet. 

Clearly you belong on the brexit thread!

You would fit right in there