Brit Girls - Fat

[WesD]

1 hour ago, the village idiot said:

You certainly can help it if you open your mind to let other ideas trickle in to the back room.

 

People often mistake determinism (the absense of free will) with fatalism (nothing can be changed).

This is not the case. Our brains and their outputs are constantly changing due to new inputs.

So the new inputs are steering us into making decisions based on experience and rational thinking and because of new inputs and life generally happening we are constantly making choices to navigate what is in front of us rather than having the free will to do anything based on nothing. 

 

 

That is probably the strangest thing I have ever typed!

[Rough Hewn]

Fascinating thread hijack guys.
Totally disagree on the illusion of consciousness though.
To be conscious means to be "aware".
Our "consciousness" is very different to other animals.
When snowboarding etc in the "zone" you brain is only conscious of your physical surroundings.
This is like an animal brain.
Human brains are very different.
Self reflection, pre meditated planning, cognitive thought processes, the concept of self, etc is more of an example of "higher" consciousness.
Hence we have a judicial system based on personal responsibility.

[Rough Hewn]

So start being a bit more responsible with your posts eh matelot?

[the village idiot]

3 minutes ago, WesD said:

So the new inputs are steering us into making decisions based on experience and rational thinking and because of new inputs and life generally happening we are constantly making choices to navigate what is in front of us rather than having the free will to do anything based on nothing. 

 

 

That is probably the strangest thing I have ever typed!

 That's a damn fine effort. 

 

Personally I'd put it more like this:

The new inputs, along with old inputs are steering us into particular behavioural patterns. We generally act out the excretions of our brains and our brains concoct a narrative which fools us into thinking that it was our brilliant idea in the first place. Each 'blind' behavioural pattern and it's results feeds back into the computer and can affect the subsequent commands.

 

It is worth pointing out that this sense of Self develops for a reason (we don't have it as babies). It is (or certainly was) advantageous to our survival to percieve that we are the authors of our own actions. Evolution has dictated that it is the state we are meant to be in. We now realise we have the option to see through this conditioned illusion if we are at all interested in doing so. It turns out to be a remarkably pleasant place in which to dwell.

[Mark Bolam]

I’ve got my own views on fat lasses, and God knows I’ve tried to improve a few of their lives over the years, but this thread has become a bit more than that.

VI that state you mentioned pages ago when snowboarding on fresh powder?

I get that, I totally get it.

[Joe Newton]

8 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

I’ve got my own views on fat lasses, and God knows I’ve tried to improve a few of their lives over the years, but this thread has become a bit more than that.

VI that state you mentioned pages ago when snowboarding on fresh powder?

I get that, I totally get it.

I think the closest I get to that is tree work. Objective. That's all.

 

Maybe smokes and coffee are on my list too, but then I really didn't make a conscious decision to do either, did I?

[the village idiot]

6 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

I’ve got my own views on fat lasses, and God knows I’ve tried to improve a few of their lives over the years, but this thread has become a bit more than that.

VI that state you mentioned pages ago when snowboarding on fresh powder?

I get that, I totally get it.

That's very cool. You have experienced the feeling of being free of the illusion of self, and perhaps you can appreciate how hard it is to put that feeling into words in a way that makes any kind of sense.

 

That experience is available to all. It is cunningly hidden right at the surface. You just have to get out of your own way to get there! Unfortunately this is not as easy as it should be.

[felixthelogchopper]

51 minutes ago, Rough Hewn said:

So start being a bit more responsible with your posts eh matelot?

Is this what the Americans call an intervention?

[the village idiot]

7 minutes ago, Joe Newton said:

I think the closest I get to that is tree work. Objective. That's all.

 

Maybe smokes and coffee are on my list too, but then I really didn't make a conscious decision to do either, did I?

No reason why tree work wouldn't do it. If you are sufficiently focussed on your work so that your subconcious takes the reigns and your actions in retrospect seemed mentally effortless then you have lost yourSelf.

 

The moment you think about what you are doing you are literally Self concious again.

[Mark Bolam]

36 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

That's very cool. You have experienced the feeling of being free of the illusion of self, and perhaps you can appreciate how hard it is to put that feeling into words in a way that makes any kind of sense.

 

That experience is available to all. It is cunningly hidden right at the surface. You just have to get out of your own way to get there! Unfortunately this is not as easy as it should be.

Bloody right it’s not mate, not since the kids appeared!

One day I will ride the white plains of truth again!

And there’s not many gunts on display in the Alps....?