Potus ???

[Johnsond]

2 minutes ago, Mark J said:

No one is saying that the radical Islamic nutjobs aren't utter shitehawks. The point I want to make is that there are extremes on all sides and they should all be treated the same. 

But your argument falls flat on its face when you look at the actual statistics and facts. 

[GarethM]

4 minutes ago, Mark J said:

No one is saying that the radical Islamic nutjobs aren't utter shitehawks. The point I want to make is that there are extremes on all sides and they should all be treated the same. 

And at the same time which moderate/leaders call out the radicals?.

 

Most Judeo-Christian types called out the priest fiddlers, they usually atleast recognise the bad and how it's not what they preach.

[Johnsond]

4 minutes ago, Mark J said:

I'm not buying what you're selling, Dave.

 

I didn’t think you would Mark, you ain’t a fan of facts or statistics 

[Mark J]

3 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

I didn’t think you would Mark, you ain’t a fan of facts or statistics 

"The point I want to make is that there are extremes on all sides and they should equally be regarded as the threat they are."

 

[Mark J]

14 minutes ago, GarethM said:

And at the same time which moderate/leaders call out the radicals?.

 

Most Judeo-Christian types called out the priest fiddlers, they usually atleast recognise the bad and how it's not what they preach.

Are you suggesting that moderate Muslims, who Dave approves of, don't call out the wrong-ones in our community on purpose? Or could it be that the wrong-ones operate under the radar of normal people? 

FYI: The Catholic and Anglican Church still hide dodgy clergy.
 

Edited Saturday at 15:44 by Mark J

[Johnsond]

7 minutes ago, Mark J said:

"The point I want to make is that there are extremes on all sides and they should equally be regarded as the threat they are."

 

But I’ll repeat what I said Mark all evidence and statistics point to the “ extreme right” being a perceived rather than real threat, imo a very convenient establishment bit of propaganda given far to much press. 

[Johnsond]

4 minutes ago, Mark J said:

who Dave approves of

😂the point ??

[GarethM]

2 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Are you suggesting that moderate Muslims, who Dave approves of, don't call out the wrong-ones in their community on purpose? Or could it be that the wrong-ones operate under the radar of normal people? 

FYI: The Catholic and Anglican Church still hide dodgy clergy.

They certainly don't on the TV & radio.

 

The chief Imam of the UK doesn't, if they did I would be a lot less critical as all faith leaders would be visibly critical that it goes against all they stand for.

 

Whilst generally speaking those that have got up to mischief were visiting, it would set an example.

 

 

[Mark J]

12 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

But I’ll repeat what I said Mark all evidence and statistics point to the “ extreme right” being a perceived rather than real threat, imo a very convenient establishment bit of propaganda given far to much press. 

Utter shite.

The brainwashing by bad-actors through social media seems to be working a treat.

You'd have to be incapable of using a search engine to come up with an idea as plain daft as this:
"all evidence and statistics point to the “ extreme right” being a perceived rather than real threat".

Ha ha ha.

Wow.

 

As of December 2024, there were 157 persons in custody for terrorism-related offences attributed to radical Islamist ideologies (61% of all 257 terrorist prisoners)4. For far-right extremism, 78 persons were in custody (30% of the total)4.

Population Estimates and Offence Ratios

1. Muslim Population: Approximately 4 million Muslims live in the UK based on 2021 census data2.

2. Far-Right Supporters: Roughly 300,000 individuals are estimated to hold far-right views, including Reform UK party members and sympathizers3.

Ratio of Offences to Belief Groups

• Radical Islam:
  1574,000,000=0.000039254,000,000157=0.00003925
  This equates to ~3.9 offences per 100,000 Muslims4.

• Far Right:
  78300,000=0.00026300,00078=0.00026
  This equates to ~26 offences per 100,000 far-right supporters4.

Key Context

• The far-right ratio is ~6.6 times higher than the radical Islam ratio when comparing offences per capita.

• These ratios are simplified metrics and do not account for factors like ideological intensity, underreporting, or socioeconomic drivers.

• Government data shows a rising trend in far-right extremism, with a 30% year-on-year increase in far-right prisoners4.

 

Edited Saturday at 15:56 by Mark J

[Steven P]

Noting that terrorism laws and updates make it easier to prosecute if the perpetrator is a 'terrorist' and not just a 'murder'