Potus ???

[Steven P]

Gareth, while the sentiment is good, look out for yourself - which is the American way, unlike the European way of helping all in society. Trumps process for doing so is fundamentally flawed.

 

There is nothing wrong with helping others. There is probably a moral duty in fact if you have a lot to help those with not a lot. The worlds tax systems intentions are this, tax the richest more and that is passed down to the poorest.

 

The US as a nation has a lot, as do a lot of European countries.

 

The richest in the world have been showing the way morally for the last 80 to 100 years now. The rest of the world, rightly or wrongly, have benefitted and indeed rely on this help - pretty sure you have said the same before and know all this. Bear with me though as the point is coming up next.

 

So Trumps process of - without warning and suddenly - turning off the tap is going to lead to millions around the world suffering great hardship, driving them into poverty. It is going to stall the economic development, and democratic development that these funds have helped promote. Not just the odd one or 2 families but millions, and suddenly. In countries where there is great hardship you get great migrations as the populations move onwards to find better lives - humans do it, all the animals do it, a basic need in life to look after your young. So don't whinge here in 12 months time when there are a lot of Nigerians knocking on the door asking for help... and housing within the UK. Similarly from the US southern borders, suddenly turning off the money tap will increase pressure on border crossings. Don't whinge, it is a natural consequence of suddenly turning off that tap.

 

 

But back to the top again, this sudden stop of all aid.... if it was done more slow and in a controlled manner these hardships can be mitigated to some extent. The US can use its power and knowledge to put in infrastructure to help these countries be self sufficient, to reduce their reliance. It hasn't always been done so before, and Trumps first administration was no better than any other in this respect.

 

 

Sure you are going to be able to pull up headlines of odd cases, and sure you are going to ignore all the good works to make a political point, that's what political commenters do well, and why 'fact checking' websites are flourishing - we know the political commenters out to make a point are generally heavily biased - including the press and the linkedin they read.

 

 

But point to take from these few words, the biggest problem is that this assistance stopping suddenly and without warning will cause great hardship. With great hardship will create great migration. Don't whinge at that.

 

[Johnsond]

8 hours ago, Yournamehere said:

PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

 

[Johnsond]

29 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Gareth, while the sentiment is good, look out for yourself - which is the American way, unlike the European way of helping all in society. Trumps process for doing so is fundamentally flawed.

 

There is nothing wrong with helping others. There is probably a moral duty in fact if you have a lot to help those with not a lot. The worlds tax systems intentions are this, tax the richest more and that is passed down to the poorest.

 

The US as a nation has a lot, as do a lot of European countries.

 

The richest in the world have been showing the way morally for the last 80 to 100 years now. The rest of the world, rightly or wrongly, have benefitted and indeed rely on this help - pretty sure you have said the same before and know all this. Bear with me though as the point is coming up next.

 

So Trumps process of - without warning and suddenly - turning off the tap is going to lead to millions around the world suffering great hardship, driving them into poverty. It is going to stall the economic development, and democratic development that these funds have helped promote. Not just the odd one or 2 families but millions, and suddenly. In countries where there is great hardship you get great migrations as the populations move onwards to find better lives - humans do it, all the animals do it, a basic need in life to look after your young. So don't whinge here in 12 months time when there are a lot of Nigerians knocking on the door asking for help... and housing within the UK. Similarly from the US southern borders, suddenly turning off the money tap will increase pressure on border crossings. Don't whinge, it is a natural consequence of suddenly turning off that tap.

 

 

But back to the top again, this sudden stop of all aid.... if it was done more slow and in a controlled manner these hardships can be mitigated to some extent. The US can use its power and knowledge to put in infrastructure to help these countries be self sufficient, to reduce their reliance. It hasn't always been done so before, and Trumps first administration was no better than any other in this respect.

 

 

Sure you are going to be able to pull up headlines of odd cases, and sure you are going to ignore all the good works to make a political point, that's what political commenters do well, and why 'fact checking' websites are flourishing - we know the political commenters out to make a point are generally heavily biased - including the press and the linkedin they read.

 

 

But point to take from these few words, the biggest problem is that this assistance stopping suddenly and without warning will cause great hardship. With great hardship will create great migration. Don't whinge at that.

 

Some length of post that SP

Any chance you can answer the question about what you do for a living 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ maybe two or three words tops 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

 

[GarethM]

54 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Gareth, while the sentiment is good, look out for yourself - which is the American way, unlike the European way of helping all in society. Trumps process for doing so is fundamentally flawed.

 

There is nothing wrong with helping others. There is probably a moral duty in fact if you have a lot to help those with not a lot. The worlds tax systems intentions are this, tax the richest more and that is passed down to the poorest.

 

The US as a nation has a lot, as do a lot of European countries.

 

The richest in the world have been showing the way morally for the last 80 to 100 years now. The rest of the world, rightly or wrongly, have benefitted and indeed rely on this help - pretty sure you have said the same before and know all this. Bear with me though as the point is coming up next.

 

So Trumps process of - without warning and suddenly - turning off the tap is going to lead to millions around the world suffering great hardship, driving them into poverty. It is going to stall the economic development, and democratic development that these funds have helped promote. Not just the odd one or 2 families but millions, and suddenly. In countries where there is great hardship you get great migrations as the populations move onwards to find better lives - humans do it, all the animals do it, a basic need in life to look after your young. So don't whinge here in 12 months time when there are a lot of Nigerians knocking on the door asking for help... and housing within the UK. Similarly from the US southern borders, suddenly turning off the money tap will increase pressure on border crossings. Don't whinge, it is a natural consequence of suddenly turning off that tap.

 

But back to the top again, this sudden stop of all aid.... if it was done more slow and in a controlled manner these hardships can be mitigated to some extent. The US can use its power and knowledge to put in infrastructure to help these countries be self sufficient, to reduce their reliance. It hasn't always been done so before, and Trumps first administration was no better than any other in this respect.

 

Sure you are going to be able to pull up headlines of odd cases, and sure you are going to ignore all the good works to make a political point, that's what political commenters do well, and why 'fact checking' websites are flourishing - we know the political commenters out to make a point are generally heavily biased - including the press and the linkedin they read.

 

But point to take from these few words, the biggest problem is that this assistance stopping suddenly and without warning will cause great hardship. With great hardship will create great migration. Don't whinge at that.

There's a simple version, charity starts at home!.

 

Charity dogooding has become big business and walnut panelled boardrooms, millipedes brother for example.

 

A return to the old ways of disaster relief is fine, but everything else is optional if it's from donations.

 

America and the UK are very similar, we've been at peace for about 100+ years, the Europeans haven't and it's a lesson they will never learn.

Edited Saturday at 15:35 by GarethM

[tree-fancier123]

22 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Some length of post that SP

Any chance you can answer the question about what you do for a living 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ maybe two or three words tops 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

 

He should at least have the decency to say ' I don't want to talk about it', rather than just ignoring your question.

After all if you add up all the time he's spent replying to your posts - it's into the hundreds of hours - whole weeks of your lives sharing thoughts with each other. And after all that he still won't engage honestly. 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

He should at least have the decency to say ' I don't want to talk about it', rather than just ignoring your question.

After all if you add up all the time he's spent replying to your posts - it's into the hundreds of hours - whole weeks of your lives sharing thoughts with each other. And after all that he still won't engage honestly. 

I’d agree with that, if you are going to have strong opinions on taxation and make a lot of comments about people’s earnings, twin cab pick usage and tax, dayrates etc etc all over the forum then a simple question about what angle are you looking at it from ie role and employment status is not a huge ask. 
Maybe Gareth is right HMRC, i think they have rather a large office in Glasgow 🤔. Glasgow central 4min walk 🚶 

Edited Saturday at 17:08 by Johnsond

[peds]

[sime42]

If only that were true, that'd be muchly bigly entertaining. He wouldn't stand a chance against her.

[peds]

"Why were short sleeves so important to the founding fathers?"

[Big J]

5 hours ago, Steven P said:

Gareth, while the sentiment is good, look out for yourself - which is the American way, unlike the European way of helping all in society. Trumps process for doing so is fundamentally flawed.

 

There is nothing wrong with helping others. There is probably a moral duty in fact if you have a lot to help those with not a lot. The worlds tax systems intentions are this, tax the richest more and that is passed down to the poorest.

 

The US as a nation has a lot, as do a lot of European countries.

 

The richest in the world have been showing the way morally for the last 80 to 100 years now. The rest of the world, rightly or wrongly, have benefitted and indeed rely on this help - pretty sure you have said the same before and know all this. Bear with me though as the point is coming up next.

 

So Trumps process of - without warning and suddenly - turning off the tap is going to lead to millions around the world suffering great hardship, driving them into poverty. It is going to stall the economic development, and democratic development that these funds have helped promote. Not just the odd one or 2 families but millions, and suddenly. In countries where there is great hardship you get great migrations as the populations move onwards to find better lives - humans do it, all the animals do it, a basic need in life to look after your young. So don't whinge here in 12 months time when there are a lot of Nigerians knocking on the door asking for help... and housing within the UK. Similarly from the US southern borders, suddenly turning off the money tap will increase pressure on border crossings. Don't whinge, it is a natural consequence of suddenly turning off that tap.

 

 

But back to the top again, this sudden stop of all aid.... if it was done more slow and in a controlled manner these hardships can be mitigated to some extent. The US can use its power and knowledge to put in infrastructure to help these countries be self sufficient, to reduce their reliance. It hasn't always been done so before, and Trumps first administration was no better than any other in this respect.

 

 

Sure you are going to be able to pull up headlines of odd cases, and sure you are going to ignore all the good works to make a political point, that's what political commenters do well, and why 'fact checking' websites are flourishing - we know the political commenters out to make a point are generally heavily biased - including the press and the linkedin they read.

 

 

But point to take from these few words, the biggest problem is that this assistance stopping suddenly and without warning will cause great hardship. With great hardship will create great migration. Don't whinge at that.

 

 

Another point worth considering is that with the withdrawal of international aid and development, that the US loses what can reasonably be considered it's most valuable asset - soft power. 

 

Until Trump 2.0, the generally esteemed international position that the US held was largely as a result of the development programmes that it supported in the world's poorest communities. Much like the Chinese, the US sought to influence the development of economically emergent nations by way of USAID, and other agencies. It wasn't just a one-way flow of cash with nothing in return - it was mutually beneficial, even if it wasn't immediately apparent.

 

On that note, international development aid is also one of the most effective ways of keeping people in developing countries in their own countries. If you withdraw the support that they were dependent on, they are much more likely to become desperate and try to emigrate to a more economically developed country. 

So, Trump's anti immigration agenda would actually be served very well by supporting those prospective immigrants to stay put.

 

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As a completely unrelated point, I was just thinking that the most amusing outcome of the Greenland issue would be if the Greenlanders decided that yes, they wanted to secede from Denmark but that they would like to hitch their wagon to Canada. I cannot think of a more effective F**k You to the US than that, and actually might make sense too as Canada is a fellow arctic nation and unlike the US administration, the Canucks aren't a bunch of self-serving, self-important, egotistical c**ts.