Potus ???

[Steven P]

12 hours ago, Johnsond said:

That will be two you quoted J who have served in the armed forces on active service.

Compare that to John Healey ?? What makes him any more qualified??

 

Is serving in the armed forces a pre-requisite to doing a good job by the way? Or would dodging out of it, say with a sore foot limit your abilities in any way?

Edited Sunday at 14:35 by Steven P

[Big J]

5 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Decades of political experience 🤷‍♂️I don’t think that’s a great thing to be putting in the CV , he’s a true labour union puppet. Nothing compared imo in regards a poor appointment than that of dodgy “ how many times sacked” deviant Mandleson. 

 

4 hours ago, Johnsond said:

J who do you think actually runs the country ?. 

 

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

?? J there are options for working in a foreign country that dont require the whole family to rock up. Immigration and prosperity??  Based upon GDP or per head figures, the latter is the true definition not the former, if anything the former if you look at long term is often described as a negative. If I go to Holland to work on a temporary basis, as they often don’t have enough of a particular diving discipline etc I don’t expect to bring in all my dependents for the state to house and care for. 

 

I don't like Mandleson. A political chameleon. It wasn't long ago that he was scathing of Trump but he's turned on a dime....

 

Money runs the country. There are many people in politics who are genuine and want to improve the situation but they are up against lobbying groups, moneyed interests and commercial entities.

 

GDP has only gone up in the UK since Brexit due to increased immigration. GDP per capita hasn't. 

There is nothing wrong or unnatural to want to be with your family if you are working abroad. 

[Big J]

1 hour ago, GarethM said:

One has to wonder the logic, so Brexit =more migrants.

 

So if that is true why isn't Italy, France, Spain and all the other EU countries deporting them back home once they are within their borders?.

 

Logically if you find a migrants you arrest and deport, not let them head to Dover and spend 10k on a dingy to the land of milk and honey.

 

Or closer to your home, go have a walk around Malmö and ask yourself if you felt safe.

 

Malmö is not close to home. It's 3.5hrs away. I would feel no safer walking through parts of almost any large UK city too. It's a problem of urbanisation, no nationality. 

 

But I am not so naive as to say that Sweden doesn't have an urban gun violence problem. It's not dissimilar to London's knife violence problem too. 

The moral of the story is just don't live in a city if you can help it!

[GarethM]

Malmö was a perfect example, it's not because of urbanisation. It's because a lot of unsavoury types moved in around the war in Bosnia, same with most towns around Stockholm.

 

Knife violence wasn't a thing here until the 90s, back then we still had the crays and such, with petty crime being just low stuff.

 

Explain acid attacks then, without migrants.

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

There is nothing wrong or unnatural to want to be with your family if you are working abroad

Totally different J as well you know. 

GDP has only gone up in the UK since Brexit due to increased immigration. GDP per capita hasn't.

 

🤷‍♂️ Exactly it is a terrible measure of social cohesion and prosperity and helps no one in the long term. Except maybe those at the very top.

Edited Sunday at 16:07 by Johnsond

[Johnsond]

26 minutes ago, Big J said:

It's a problem of urbanisation, no nationality. 

You know that is not the case J 

 

[Big J]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

You know that is not the case J 

 

 

If you go to many of the ex-mining and industrial towns west of Edinburgh (or pretty much most of greater Glasgow, or Dundee for that matter), there terrible issues with drugs and violence, and they are not ethnically diverse at all. 

 

Yes, immigrants bring problems, but we've grown plenty of our own as well. 

The somewhat comical irony of Brexit is that not only has it substantially increased immigration, but the immigrants that are coming in are now more culturally different to the EU immigrants that made up the bulk of the intake, pre-Brexit. An own goal, I would say.

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

you go to many of the ex-mining and industrial towns west of Edinburgh (or pretty much most of greater Glasgow, or Dundee for that matter), there terrible issues with drugs and violence, and they are not ethnically diverse at all. 

J I’m from lynemouth ( look up Ellington Lynemouth Colliery) I witnessed the miners strike as a young teenager and the destruction of a whole community in many respects, I’ve not seen what you describe at all. 
If you think Glasgow is not ethnically diverse then I don’t know what is. When was the last time you had a day out there ?? 

Edited Sunday at 18:49 by Johnsond

[Big J]

2 hours ago, Johnsond said:

J I’m from lynemouth ( look up Ellington Lynemouth Colliery) I witnessed the miners strike as a young teenager and the destruction of a whole community in many respects, I’ve not seen what you describe at all. 
If you think Glasgow is not ethnically diverse then I don’t know what is. When was the last time you had a day out there ?? 

 

Northumberland isn't Scotland though, is it. Cumbernauld, Armadale, Livingston (which is admittedly a new town), Broxburn, Falkirk, Bathgate, Airdrie to name but a few. All incredibly rough in places, and not ethnically diverse.

Of course, there are parts of Glasgow that are very culturally and ethnically diverse, but the biggest issues with serious crimes don't come from those groups.

[Steven P]

BigJ, Glasgow wasn't mining, it is more heavy industrial with a healthy dose of German bombs in WW2 (relevant since that dictates some of the new schemes (housing estates) that were thrown up with poorer planning than what came afterwards... and suitable social problems, many of these schemes with a 50 year life are still existing.. including a couple of the new towns dotted about).

 

The traditionally rougher areas - similar to the Scottish mining towns - are where these industries have moved on - and are also traditionally 'Scots' who live there - the whites - Govan, The Gorbals, Easterhouse and so on.

 

My side of town there are 2 'Asian' areas - I'll do my run commute through both happily - one is rougher than the other, but that is not a factor of race, it is a factor of wealth - the poorer one is tougher. But that is the same through the city as well (n fact, all cities, the poorer areas are the tougher ones regardless of who lives there).