Potus ???

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

 

Trump's base can be roughly split into two camps - those that hold their nose and vote for him because they believe they'll make more money with him in charge and those that can be described as 'low information'. As Trump once said:

 

"We love the uneducated!"

 

The US political system is a total mess. Between the election college, the vast sums of money involved, gerrymandering, voter suppression, continual lying and propaganda (on both sides, though greatly more from the GOP), without expending a very large amount of time and energy on the topic, it's hard to know what is actually going on.

 

For what it's worth, I think that whilst Biden's domestic record was pretty good throughout his term, his support of Israel has been appalling. His inability to step aside at an appropriate time cost the Dems the election as they were unable to have a primary, which delegitimised Harris. FWIW, I don't think Kamala was a bad candidate, but they had better.

 

And in the end, Biden just took a 'f**k it, I don't care anymore' attitude, and threw pardons out left right and centre. If I were in his position, I'd probably have done the same, but I'd be a terribly corrupt politician and I expect, nay, demand better standards from our elected officials

Which ever way you look at it, America is now fulfilling almost all the criteria of fascistic rule. You may disagree, you may not. You may be OK with that, or (hopefully) not. 

 

The Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC displays a poster written by Laurence Britt in 2003, entitled "The 14 early warning signs of Fascism". Tell me if you disagree that this is the way that the US is going. My comments are in brackets.

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism (the MAGA movement is defined by this)

2. Disdain for human rights (child separation policy of the first administration. Attempted revokation of 14th amendment ie birthright citizenship)

3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause (DEI, trans, immigrants)

4. Supremacy of the military (continued overtures towards taking territory from smaller nations)

5. Rampant sexism (I don't need to explain this one really - grab them by the....?)

6. Controlled mass media (Fox News, the accelerating capitulation by Meta, ABC settling a defamation case, etc etc)

7. Obsession with national security (the immigration emergency executive order)

8. Religion and government intertwined (much the Maga movement is fundamentalist, and Trump has repeatedly compared himself to the Messiah, saying that God spared him for a reason with the attempted assassination)

9. Corporate power protected (money is king for Trump - his tax cuts in the first term were worth three times as much to the top 1% as the bottom 60%)

10. Labor power suppressed (he, like Musk, is fiercely anti union, and anti worker rights in general).

11. Disdain for intellectual & the arts (his disregard for medical and scientific expertise is well-known. He has dissolved the Presidents committee on the arts, as an executive order)

12. Obsession with crime and punishment (he has asked the question as to whether protesters could be shot during the BLM protests)

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption (you could write a book on this one point alone)

14. Fraudulent elections (his claims that the 2020 election was stolen were fraudulent. He has continually tried to undermine the legitimacy of elections in the US, but has been amusingly quiet on the topic when it went his way. It has been mooted that he will attempt to make constitutional changes to allow him to run for a third term).

 

You can say that you like what he's doing - I find that easier to understand than saying that you don't believe that he is doing what he is doing. Everyone has a different world view, and some are indeed more isolationist and self-focused. I'm pretty antisocial and insular, but I try to work on the basis of being respectful and causing no harm. As such, I find Trump's politics to be offensive as he profits from the suffering of others, by way of deception, misinformation and outright lying. 

 

Sadly, that style of politics is gaining a foothold here in Europe too, so who knows what the future holds.

 

I will take that as a confirmation of your dislike for the man 🤔. 
Low information J 😳I know a few guys over there none of whom are low info types and they support him wholeheartedly. 
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[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

 

 

Mentioned this before, the defence "OK not a good man, but look over there, that man is not a good man either so that pardons man 1 of everything" is pretty poor to be honest

 

By way of a repeated example: "Yes, I done a murder, but that man did 2 murders, so I can go free now"

 

Doesn't work.

 

Still not a good man. Still did rapes. Still watched children undressing. Still had a bestie raping children.. and said nothing. Still put forward for promotion others who were sleeping with children. None of the above in any shape or form are defensible.

**************** me how many besties does he have SP ??

I’ll say again why would he be pushing to release all the information on Epstein then?? Bill Clinton visited how many times ??.  The hypocrisy from you SP is absolutely disgusting, you are insanely quiet on the  subject of Muslim rape gangs who are actually raping genuine children or use the exact same “but whites do it too BS “ that others are calling out here. 
The 17 year old “ I believe, but will accept correction on that“ that Gaetz is accused of having sex with that  you keep referring to as a child is older than the legal age off consent here including grown men being allowed to bugger 16 year old boys. 

Edited January 31 by Johnsond

[GarethM]

3 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

**************** me how many besties does he have SP ??

I’ll say again why would he be pushing to release all the information on Epstein then?? Bill Clinton visited how many times ??. 

It doesn't suit his narrow world view.

 

I get the impression he only wants to be ruled by pious types that have never done a thing, like a world of multiple Dali Lama types, where they meditate for 23 hours a day.

 

But sir WW3 is starting, I shall meditate, sir were the only two left in our bunker.

[Johnsond]

3 minutes ago, GarethM said:

It doesn't suit his narrow world view.

 

I get the impression he only wants to be ruled by pious types that have never done a thing, like a world of multiple Dali Lama types, where they meditate for 23 hours a day.

 

But sir WW3 is starting, I shall meditate, sir were the only two left in our bunker.

See my last post Gareth 

Genuine rapists hardly get a mention from some, if you do you are far right. 

[Mesterh]

7 hours ago, sime42 said:

 

The mind boggles.

 

The worst thing is that he never bothers to even attempt to justify or provide evidence to back up all these crazy BS claims that are his currency. Presumably he's realised that he doesn't need to, his MAGA flock will just swallow it all regardless of truth. It's a sad and worrying state of affairs when fact has now become completely interchangeable with opinion and belief in some circles. The US, and beyond, does seem to be becoming a morality and factuality wasteland.

There must be people behind him screaming "NOOOO, NOOOOO, Elon was just having a laugh, I mean who the fook is going to use 500 million condoms, nevermind turning them into bombs"

 

Shirley even his most devoted followers must be questioning it.

 

Spitting image are missing a trick here, they will have comedy gold material for the next 4 years at the least!

[Johnsond]

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[sime42]

12 hours ago, Mesterh said:

There must be people behind him screaming "NOOOO, NOOOOO, Elon was just having a laugh, I mean who the fook is going to use 500 million condoms, nevermind turning them into bombs"

 

Shirley even his most devoted followers must be questioning it.

 

Spitting image are missing a trick here, they will have comedy gold material for the next 4 years at the least!

 

Spitting Image. What a program that was. Shirley it's well overdue being brought back, there's not enough political satire on the box now. Some on the radio yes, but not on TV. Have I got news for you is good, but it doesn't exactly fit the bill. Spitting Image would be a perfect fit for that Friday night slot, after the news. Get rid of that annoying Graham Norton twit.

 

Condoms. I'm not sure that his devoted followers are questioning it you know. Unless it's some kind of clever allegory thats gone over our heads. There's an easy way to put it to the test.

 

So, do either of the devoted believers believe The Donald's "500 000 000 condoms used to make Hamas bombs" claim? The secondary, and more interesting question is how exactly does one use a Jonny to make a bomb? Bomb making isn't my strong point.

 

 

[Steven P]

17 hours ago, Johnsond said:

The hypocrisy from you SP is absolutely disgusting, you are insanely quiet on the  subject of Muslim rape gangs who are actually raping genuine children or use the exact same “but whites do it too BS “ that others are calling out here. 

 

 

It is not a subject that I'd be posting on an arborist forum, however I noticed your posts this week were stunningly quiet about the Glasgow grooming gang jailed this week.... as if you only want to report coloured gangs, to me it appears to a part of your racist agenda.

[Steven P]

What's so funny about the 'leader of the free world' and his lax attitude to sex crimes?

 

[Steven P]

21 hours ago, Johnsond said:

The 17 year old “ I believe, but will accept correction on that“ that Gaetz is accused of having sex with that  you keep referring to as a child is older than the legal age off consent here including grown men being allowed to bugger 16 year old boys. 

 

 

Legally in the US where this happened, the girl is a child. A law maker should be aware of this.

 

A president should also know the law and should not be promoting such criminals into government.

 

I assume then that in the UK you'd be OK with a 35 year old sleeping with one of your 17 year old daughters? You'd be quite happy having a beer with the man before he goes to your home to see to her? Didn't think so.

 

Noting also that in the allegations against Prince Andrew (also aged mid thirties at the time), in the UK that girl was also 17 and no crime was committed and yet look at the UK press on the subject.

 

 

Edity bit.

Taking your comment a step further that because the girl in question is of the legal age of consent - in another country - and so that is OK, why not look at all the countries of the world? Where do you draw the line?

Edited February 1 by Steven P