Potus ???

[Johnsond]

5 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

This might be a long one, so let's start with the first paragraph of your outburst:

Discussing the issues with your child with an open mind to what they have heard or feel could lead to some interesting discussions and the opportunity to express why you feel the way you do without just dismissing what they have heard from elsewhere as "crap".

This particular topic wasn't about this issue being right wing, that's just a massive amount of the other stuff you post on here, and presumably subject your children to,  but your absolute dismissal of these things comes across as angry and is intolerant.

 

There are so many factors influencing young people's mental health and some of the most influential are living up to the expectations of others and feeling that they can't be as good/attractive/strong/clever/successful etc as they feel they should be, whether that's based on the influence of their peers and role models, be they friends, family or others they know of through media etc.

 

Is pandering to them really the reason for the mental health issues, there are a fair few people in society of our generation whose mental health issues are undeniably caused primarily by the dismissal and oppression of those feelings about themselves that weren't "acceptable" at home, or at the time and the experiences that they had because of it, whether it was intollerance, dismissal, humiliation, physical violence or whatever they experienced because of their differences.

 

"BS first world manufactured problem" - You say a lot about all of the places that you've been in the world, so I'd expect you to know that the LGBTQ and trans thing is far from just a 1st world thing!

 

No I don't think that those in my family (and similarly in the familes of others) are right and I'm wrong, I think that they are uninformed and unwilling to see that their viewpoint is outdated and they need to reeducate themselves.  There's that age old response of there weren't all those gays/trans/lesbians etc back then, so why are there now? (normally given as a statement as opposed to a question that they want answering!) The clearest answer in reality is to do with the changes in the law and ways that people can't be discriminated against. When the country was much more homophobic, people who were gay and didn't want to either be beaten up or abused for it, or pretend they were something else would move away to more tolerant areas like Brighton, London or other places where they could be themselves without judgement and with a support network from others who understood and accepted them for being them. Now people can be openly gay/trans etc without the same level of fear that they would have had in the past.

 

It is absolutely about respecting an individual to accept what they believe to be true as being true for them. They may make a decision, go through an assortment of procedures and stick with their decision until they dies, or they may change their mind a few years down the line, the latter bit is why the powers that be have prevented young people from being able to access puberty blockers and undergo surgery until they are older, but if you've ever witnessed the effects of the mental turmoil of a teen who is considered to have body dismorphia and is doing what they can to (often painfully) hide the changes that come about through puberty such as binding etc you may have slightly more sympathy. At the end of the day why do you feel that you have the right to dismiss a person's opinion of themselves and who they are, and are you that hellbent on your own hatred of the idea to refuse to call a stranger, or someone you know by the name that they would like to use, or even the pronoun they wish to use. This final bit is a minefield for people of our generation as it's new and we won't always get it right, but if you approach it without the intention to offend the chances are thay they won't mind and accept that you made an innocent mistake, but if you refuse to do so because you think it's all bollocks it's completely disrespecting that person and the choices that they have made, you may think it, but you really don't need to express it to them.

You were right it was long too long, full of incorrect assumptions , opinions and a whole load of nonsense, you have zero knowledge of how I interact or talk with my kids so why write so much shite based upon pure speculation 🤷‍♂️. If I were in your shoes YS id concentrate on my own kids ok, as I do mine. 
Like many on the left in regards this matter you have way too much to say about something that’s none of your business. There’s no minefields if you realise what nature shows us every single day, keep it simple there  are only two genders.

We won’t agree so let’s leave it, you obviously have wildly different views on the subject to me and my Mrs. 

[GarethM]

29 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

This might be a long one, so let's start with the first paragraph of your outburst:

Discussing the issues with your child with an open mind to what they have heard or feel could lead to some interesting discussions and the opportunity to express why you feel the way you do without just dismissing what they have heard from elsewhere as "crap".

This particular topic wasn't about this issue being right wing, that's just a massive amount of the other stuff you post on here, and presumably subject your children to,  but your absolute dismissal of these things comes across as angry and is intolerant.

 

There are so many factors influencing young people's mental health and some of the most influential are living up to the expectations of others and feeling that they can't be as good/attractive/strong/clever/successful etc as they feel they should be, whether that's based on the influence of their peers and role models, be they friends, family or others they know of through media etc.

 

Is pandering to them really the reason for the mental health issues, there are a fair few people in society of our generation whose mental health issues are undeniably caused primarily by the dismissal and oppression of those feelings about themselves that weren't "acceptable" at home, or at the time and the experiences that they had because of it, whether it was intollerance, dismissal, humiliation, physical violence or whatever they experienced because of their differences.

 

"BS first world manufactured problem" - You say a lot about all of the places that you've been in the world, so I'd expect you to know that the LGBTQ and trans thing is far from just a 1st world thing!

 

No I don't think that those in my family (and similarly in the familes of others) are right and I'm wrong, I think that they are uninformed and unwilling to see that their viewpoint is outdated and they need to reeducate themselves.  There's that age old response of there weren't all those gays/trans/lesbians etc back then, so why are there now? (normally given as a statement as opposed to a question that they want answering!) The clearest answer in reality is to do with the changes in the law and ways that people can't be discriminated against. When the country was much more homophobic, people who were gay and didn't want to either be beaten up or abused for it, or pretend they were something else would move away to more tolerant areas like Brighton, London or other places where they could be themselves without judgement and with a support network from others who understood and accepted them for being them. Now people can be openly gay/trans etc without the same level of fear that they would have had in the past.

 

It is absolutely about respecting an individual to accept what they believe to be true as being true for them. They may make a decision, go through an assortment of procedures and stick with their decision until they dies, or they may change their mind a few years down the line, the latter bit is why the powers that be have prevented young people from being able to access puberty blockers and undergo surgery until they are older, but if you've ever witnessed the effects of the mental turmoil of a teen who is considered to have body dismorphia and is doing what they can to (often painfully) hide the changes that come about through puberty such as binding etc you may have slightly more sympathy. At the end of the day why do you feel that you have the right to dismiss a person's opinion of themselves and who they are, and are you that hellbent on your own hatred of the idea to refuse to call a stranger, or someone you know by the name that they would like to use, or even the pronoun they wish to use. This final bit is a minefield for people of our generation as it's new and we won't always get it right, but if you approach it without the intention to offend the chances are thay they won't mind and accept that you made an innocent mistake, but if you refuse to do so because you think it's all bollocks it's completely disrespecting that person and the choices that they have made, you may think it, but you really don't need to express it to them.

Now let's agree that's absolute shite.

 

I know it's a shocker but being gay didn't just pop into being in 2024 ?.

[Yournamehere]

They're like a tag team, aren't they? 

Insecure & Inadequate.

[Youngstu]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

you have way too much to say about something that’s none of your business.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make to you!

[Johnsond]

21 minutes ago, Yournamehere said:

They're like a tag team, aren't they? 

Insecure & Inadequate.

The ATL ? I usually have at least 3 pinging back and forward so don’t concern yourself overly. 
Not sure why you keep referring to insecurity and inadequacies etc or what’s that got to do with people raising in my case 6 kids in a traditional family 🤷‍♂️

Edited January 24 by Johnsond

[Youngstu]

2 hours ago, GarethM said:

Now let's agree that's absolute shite.

 

I know it's a shocker but being gay didn't just pop into being in 2024 ?.

Go on then Gareth, as you seem to have made it further than the first paragraph that your mate got to before seeing red and getting typically defensive, please do elaborate on what you think is shite and why. 

But I am glad that you recognise that being gay isn't something new.. 

[GarethM]

9 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

Go on then Gareth, as you seem to have made it further than the first paragraph that your mate got to before seeing red and getting typically defensive, please do elaborate on what you think is shite and why. 

But I am glad that you recognise that being gay isn't something new.. 

And when have I or anyone else said being gay is anything new, literally nobody gives a hoot where someone puts it or not.

 

Your long rambling post effectively wants the rest of society to reinforce and join in on the delusional gender waffle with kids.

 

That's effectively where the line is drawn regarding children, once an adults do whatever you want.

 

It's the same arguement you would use with any paranoid schizophrenic, you don't reinforce their delusions.

[Johnsond]

56 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

Go on then Gareth, as you seem to have made it further than the first paragraph that your mate got to before seeing red and getting typically defensive, please do elaborate on what you think is shite and why. 

But I am glad that you recognise that being gay isn't something new.. 

No one’s seeing red or getting defensive, but speaking absolute rubbish and preaching your LGBTQ trans shite to a guy who has reasonably successfully raised 6 up to now well balanced decent human beings is just patronising garbage. You left wing buggers see anyone who disagrees with your lunacy as either angry, ic, ist or far right. Raise your kids how you want. But don’t expect the more traditional two genders types out there to buy into the same  lunacy.

[sime42]

7 hours ago, Johnsond said:

You raise yours how you see fit, same to all of the ATL on here, I’ve done it a few times now and have had not the best but imo reasonable results when it comes to protecting, providing for and instilling a decent set of work, social and personal values . 
I certainly don’t need lectures off people who argued with me about subjecting children to totally unnecessary and untested covid jabs not that long ago. 
Social media is a curse in many respects. 
Taking of kids and a rough time, you seem conveniently to have missed out a rather significant event, the only time I have seen any of mine struggling mentally was during those ****************ing Lockdowns you and others supported, I’ve mentioned this before and was slated for it by the normal covid warriors on here. This is one of the main reasons I feel the way I do about that period and why very quickly myself and many others in our local area started to ignore the utter insanity of that period and started to let kids mix and have a half normal life. There’s even one idiot on here still talking shit about the benefits of out of school lockdown style learning. 

 

Mate, what are you on? It's making you paranoid, whatever it is that's your poison. Nowhere was I critical of your parenting approach, nor even seeking to give you advice. Once again: read the words that you are purportedly replying to.

 

"Social media is a curse in many respects." -

That's it, the sum total of your thoughts on the subject? Social Media is very pertinent to POTUS, this thread. Getting rid of fact checking and showing kids more and more harmful content is bad IMO. You of all people ought to know how easy it is to fall for the mis/disinformation and worse that gets spread on it. Covid isn't relevant, not sure why you've ranted so many words about it again here. Is there something you need to get off your chest?!

 

You've got your own thread all about the old Covid BS anyway. You can try to argue with people about subjecting children to jabs on there if you want to, don't think you'll find anyone though. I don't believe any people were ever in favour of that, there was no point.

 

This is an exercise in futility but hey ho. How do you think we should tackle the issue of children's rapidly deteriorating mental health and physical health? (It's not as easy as just not doing Lockdowns).

 

 

 

[sime42]

Anyway, we need some tragicomedy to break up The DJ monotony.