Potus ???

[Big J]

12 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Maybe if you're friend actually did his job we'd actually have an accurate weather forecast that lasted longer than the time it took to look outside of the window.

 

I've said it before it's just climate, refill the aral sea and maybe I'll start listening to the hysterical climate types when they realise a sea the size of Ireland had quite an effect on the climate.

 

As it's funny how the date the climate change starts coincidentally coincides with the dates the Russians turned off the taps to the largest freshwater lake in the world.

 

You don't really understand how the weather works, do you? 

 

Wonderful how you bring in some conspiracy theory into climate science too. 

 

Marvellous.

[GarethM]

10 minutes ago, Big J said:

You don't really understand how the weather works, do you? 

 

Wonderful how you bring in some conspiracy theory into climate science too. 

 

Marvellous.

And do you know the phrase about understanding a subject ?, it did apply predominantly to quantum physics but is pretty good for all subjects.

 

It's not a conspiracy it's an actual fact, so you're trying to tell me a lake according to wiki 26,300 square miles has zero impact on this climate you keep banging on about is in some existential death throws ?

Edited October 26 by GarethM

[AHPP]

Blame the poofs. 
 

[GarethM]

 

 

[GarethM]

But back to my oh so terrible facts, so refusing to refill a lake that obviously had an effect on the best part of half the world including Afghanistan is sooooo out of the question.

 

Then trying to tell me freezing the odd granny will solve climate change.

 

Humm, I smell bovine somewhere and it's supposed to even have university educated wall paper. Maybe Nobel price winner bovine excrement.

[peds]

3 hours ago, GarethM said:

... nature is going to kill us...

 

Ehhh... nature isn't going to kill us buddy... we are killing nature... and a lack of nature has the potential to kill us.

 

It might not seem like it, but I really value your input on this, purely for the comedy value. You just seem to have such a comprehensive misunderstandment across such a diverse range. You know a lot of the words, and they are sometimes in the right order, but it's as though you've been reading the subject material through the translucent plastic of a cereal bag, or you've overheard muffled snippets of conversation about it through around 6 inches of subcutaneous fat and intestinal lining. 

 

Don't stop, it adds balance. 

[Steven P]

Just checking the title of the thread.... We need one 'Argument Clinic' maybe? "I'm sorry, is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour"

 

Climate change... regardless of your belief into climate change and the causes I think we all accept that it is changing... even Trump seams to accept that, accusing windmills of causing cancer rather than trying to debunk climate changes.

 

If you are considering areas drying out, the Sahara desert has got about 10% bigger since 1920.... which also kind of coincides with the exponential increase in world CO2 levels at that time... global warming? and well before the Aral sea. No one knows quite all the causes... and I think it is one system and each change will change everything also... divert water to cotton fields, sea empties, has an effect, CO2 levels rise from human activity, has an effect, but the world wide scientific consensus is CO2 is more to blame than anything (other gasses are more potent - cow farts - but there is less of them).

 

I am happy to throw my hat into that idea... yes sea has an effect, but CO2 more of an effect.

 

Going back up a step though, renewable energy - adding it here since it is all tied together (Trump bashing later if I get bored). The world has enough oil for 30 to 35 years (at the current rate of use) plus some that is not economic to extract just now (Wikkipedia)... it will run out but in that time Africa will want to electrify itself, come onto the WWW, rural China will want the same, Rural India... and all increasing demand.. oil is going to run out, coal is going to run out, we can cut down the Amazon for wood chip or we can become world leaders of extracting energy from outside the plant (ie the sun).... wind and solar mainly, maybe tidal or wave plus perhaps stored hydro, small nuclear reactors but the days of oil and gas is limited... and now is the time to change before everyone is and demand exceeds supply.. and then your poor granny will be freezing!

 

Second comment is a repeat of one I made before, the UK is at the mercy of the worlds 'stable' nations for oil supplies - Russia, North Africa / Middle East, Central Africa potentially... not sure I want to be held hostage by any of them over my electricity prices. Well known for their current mentally stable leaders. Back to Trump anyone?

 

Yes back to the topic, I'd be more inclined to believe that Harris is more sympathetic than Trump-in-the-Texas-Oil-Barons-Pocket to renewable energy, and has a more global outlook on the world that perhaps they can also become world leaders in renewable energy rather than following the Chinese (who incidentally also installed the most renewable energy last year). Be happier buying European or US windmills than Chinese ones... but that means we need to take a lead and do it ahead of everyone else

Edited October 26 by Steven P

[GarethM]

Solar, nuclear & hydro.

 

Wind turbines are just a cash cow boon doggle blot on the landscape along with batteries.

[Steven P]

oooh, they don't like solar down south, cannot fathom that you can grow sheeps and cows underneath them "they take away productive farming land".... though of course I think every office block should have then installed (large flat roofs, often a transformer in the basement to export the power to the grid, add a circuit breaker in and jobs a good one)

[GarethM]

9 minutes ago, Steven P said:

oooh, they don't like solar down south, cannot fathom that you can grow sheeps and cows underneath them "they take away productive farming land".... though of course I think every office block should have then installed (large flat roofs, often a transformer in the basement to export the power to the grid, add a circuit breaker in and jobs a good one)

In my mind it should only ever be on roof tops, especially large supermarkets and factories and DIY stores.

 

Agricultural sheds too, happy if they came to an arrangement.

 

I have no objections in the desert for those solar collector jobbies that even work for hours after dark.

Edited October 26 by GarethM