Potus ???

[tree-fancier123]

Trump could play it like Putin did with Nevalny - don't mess around if someone poses a serious threat have them arrested as soon as they come back

[GarethM]

8 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

Trump could play it like Putin did with Nevalny - don't mess around if someone poses a serious threat have them arrested as soon as they come back

Next gig live from Guantanamo?.

 

Couple of prisoners doing backing vocals

[Steven P]

Behind the rant though is Trump trying to silence any criticism. Others have tried that before and generally history have judged them to be dictator types and generally poor leaders (Stalin would be the most notorious example, Kim Jong Un and his dad, numerous others). You can see how he talks to the press who ask him 'awkward' or searching questions "you should be ashamed of yourselves" "no wonder your press organisation is failing" - usually in capital letters. Trying to shut down any criticism and accountability.

 

This never a good thing. Without scrutiny the leader can do what they want... which is essentially a dictatorship.

 

Springsteen is another example of this, with the veiled threat at the end "would you say that to my face".... well, yes. The threat of a coward and a bully who does not have the mental ability to react otherwise.

 

I see these as desperation, avoid all scrutiny at all costs, from a failing administration

[GarethM]

16 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Behind the rant though is Trump trying to silence any criticism. Others have tried that before and generally history have judged them to be dictator types and generally poor leaders (Stalin would be the most notorious example, Kim Jong Un and his dad, numerous others). You can see how he talks to the press who ask him 'awkward' or searching questions "you should be ashamed of yourselves" "no wonder your press organisation is failing" - usually in capital letters. Trying to shut down any criticism and accountability.

 

This never a good thing. Without scrutiny the leader can do what they want... which is essentially a dictatorship.

 

Springsteen is another example of this, with the veiled threat at the end "would you say that to my face".... well, yes. The threat of a coward and a bully who does not have the mental ability to react otherwise.

 

I see these as desperation, avoid all scrutiny at all costs, from a failing administration

Somewhat of an ironic argument from a employee of a Scottish government that extolled the virtues of punishing wrong think and trying to punish a nurse and anyone else that goes against their group think.

 

Pot kettle black, you can't have your cake and eat it just because it aligns with your beliefs.

 

Trump is silencing absolutely nothing, just highlighting the absolute hypocrisy of Springsteen, almost as bad as that Thatcher outburst Muppets.

[Steven P]

Gareth, have you ever listened to him talking to the press that don't report favourably to him? Shuts them down, as I mentioned above. Take some time out to really listen to him, maybe taking off the rose tinted glasses but he is trying to control the free press, the free speech, and Springsteen is just another example of this. If it doesn't fit the story he is telling (himself) us, then the organisation is 'discredited', 'failing', 'fake news'.

 

I don't believe Springsteen has ever said he would do anything other than sell records, a lot of them granted, to make his money, there is no hypocrisy there. Trump is 'working for the working man' by manipulating the stock markets to make himself and his palls another few billions, leaving pensioners relying on the same markets worried, there is your hypocrisy.

 

 

But anyway, you jump in and defend the man, someone has to. He isn't getting the opinion polls that he wants, so every little helps, you and his press secretary.

Edited May 17 by Steven P

[GarethM]

7 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Gareth, have you ever listened to him talking to the press that don't report favourably to him? Shuts them down, as I mentioned above. Take some time out to really listen to him, maybe taking off the rose tinted glasses but he is trying to control the free press, the free speech, and Springsteen is just another example of this. If it doesn't fit the story he is telling (himself) us, then the organisation is 'discredited', 'failing', 'fake news'.

 

I don't believe Springsteen has ever said he would do anything other than sell records, a lot of them granted, to make his money, there is no hypocrisy there. Trump is 'working for the working man' by manipulating the stock markets to make himself and his palls another few billions, leaving pensioners relying on the same markets worried, there is your hypocrisy.

 

But anyway, you jump in and defend the man, someone has to. He isn't getting the opinion polls that he wants, so every little helps, you and his press secretary.

 

Because like a lot of you political obsessed types brought up listening to idiots like ed and his 5th form debates, which are more evasion than debating.

 

You sit there pontificating, deliberating every single full stop, apostrophe, pause and breath.

 

Which is part of the problem, go back 20/30 years and politicians spoke like a relatively normal person instead of corporate fluffy speech bs with buzz words.

 

Which is what Donald does like a normal person, he answers questions he wants to but he can't politely tell a reporter to do one.

 

Or would you prefer he stands there corporate waffle and saying absolutely NOTHING?.

[Mark J]

 

[Steven P]

Your trying distraction again Gareth, no one mentioned telling reporters to 'do one'.

 

No, it is the demeaning of anything he doesn't like, the insults, the high profile "this organisation / person is worthless because they have an opposing opinion". Springsteen doesn't make a living reporting off Trumps actions and can exercise his rights of free speech to criticise Trumps actions without harm. Without free speech then you live in a dictatorship, so accept that no everyone will agree with you all the time and accept that these disagreements make for a better democracy... which Trump and his vanity cannot handle.

[Johnsond]

46 minutes ago, GarethM said:

 

Because like a lot of you political obsessed types brought up listening to idiots like ed and his 5th form debates, which are more evasion than debating.

 

You sit there pontificating, deliberating every single full stop, apostrophe, pause and breath.

 

Which is part of the problem, go back 20/30 years and politicians spoke like a relatively normal person instead of corporate fluffy speech bs with buzz words.

 

Which is what Donald does like a normal person, he answers questions he wants to but he can't politely tell a reporter to do one.

 

Or would you prefer he stands there corporate waffle and saying absolutely NOTHING?.

Are people being arrested and locked up for an Internet outburst in the USA Gareth 🤔

Scottish government and the old hate crime bollocks. One of Sturgeons swords. 

[GarethM]

6 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Your trying distraction again Gareth, no one mentioned telling reporters to 'do one'.

 

No, it is the demeaning of anything he doesn't like, the insults, the high profile "this organisation / person is worthless because they have an opposing opinion". Springsteen doesn't make a living reporting off Trumps actions and can exercise his rights of free speech to criticise Trumps actions without harm. Without free speech then you live in a dictatorship, so accept that no everyone will agree with you all the time and accept that these disagreements make for a better democracy... which Trump and his vanity cannot handle.

Distraction, are you taking the piss ?.

 

You just want him standing there doing a Starmer, saying 500 words of nothing and just doing a glorified filling a soundbite until the next question.

 

Springsteen should atleast stick to him "principles" and move like Rosie and the even worse Ellen.

 

Springsteen was soooooo principled he gave Joe tonnes of money did he not and surprised surprise sod all improved.

 

It might be his free speech, but surely if he renamed the tour the "Steven P has terrible lefty views and opinions that make mother Teresa question her religion" you have a right to I dunno voice a response?.