Potus ???

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[Haironyourchest]

5 hours ago, sime42 said:

To be fair it's not really about sides, there's so much more at stake with this Potus. However, if it has to be framed within the very narrow, and restrictive viewpoint of sides; then there are no winners amongst the common people, only losers. There's countless MAGA voters who are now worse off than they were 12 months ago. The only winners in any of this are the small number of rich elite, the tech oligarchs and social media barons etc. The very people that the MAGA ideal is meant to target. That's a failure, not a win.

 

 

 

Depends what you value. Some things are more important than money, to many people.

 

We (the common people) are all going to get poorer. Actually our undeserved wealth is being realistically revalued, this is an inevitable macro economic adjustment and will happen whichever side is in power.

 

The "Left" side is losing cultural control. They still have a lot of control, in the West, but the momentum of cultural power going "Right" is steady.

 

Culture is more important than money. 

[tree-fancier123]

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[Mark J]

19 hours ago, Johnsond said:

I try and keep it factual Mark

If it fits your narrative, Dave.

 

100% wrong, obvious from very early on if you had a single ounce of common sense. 

It wasn't obvious to everyone who wasn't a microbiologist. It still isn't. 

 

I find ex forces lads to be a lot more independent and broad minded than many civvies.

So do I, in general. 

 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Mark J said:

If it fits your narrative, Dave.

Nope not at all, simple facts Mark suit me fine every time, no assumptions or guesses etc. 

 

1 hour ago, Mark J said:

It wasn't obvious to everyone who wasn't a microbiologist. It still isn't. 

The actions taken and what people were asked to do was ridiculous, I’m not a microbiologist and it was plain to see as far as I’m concerned. 

[Mark J]

3 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Nope not at all, simple facts Mark suit me fine every time, no assumptions or guesses etc. 

 

The actions taken and what people were asked to do was ridiculous, I’m not a microbiologist and it was plain to see as far as I’m concerned. 

Exactly. 

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[Johnsond]

4 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Exactly. 

I can see the stance you took on a dedicated thread on the subject hasn’t changed much. Mind you it takes a better man to admit he was wrong or swallowed the BS big time.  Hang on isn’t that your line 😂😂

[tree-fancier123]

6 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Nope not at all, simple facts Mark suit me fine every time, no assumptions or guesses etc. 

 

The actions taken and what people were asked to do was ridiculous, I’m not a microbiologist and it was plain to see as far as I’m concerned. 

as far as I'm concerned - this is the whole problem, the issue is too complex to be grasped by a layperson, it would be like me commenting on how they should have approached raising the Bayesian so the diver didn't die the other day during metal cutting, I have no training in diving or salvage so my opinion would be as valid as yours on pandemic management

[Johnsond]

2 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

as far as I'm concerned - this is the whole problem, the issue is too complex to be grasped by a layperson, it would be like me commenting on how they should have approached raising the Bayesian so the diver didn't die the other day during metal cutting, I have no training in diving or salvage so my opinion would be as valid as yours on pandemic management

There was nothing complex about a lot of the sheer stupidity and pointless nonsense we saw and lived through during that period. 
I’d have thought the behaviour of those in a position to have far more information and knowledge available to them at the time which we now are fully aware of would be enough of a clue. You certainly didn’t need any training to realise not long into that farce that things had got absolutely out of all proportion. But I guess it’s a personal choice as to what we believe about that period of madness. 
The explosion was caused by Hydrogen build up from the oxy arc cutting process it’s happened before numerous times and will  happen again. Why ?? Because people make the same stupid mistakes and decisions time after time after time thinking the outcome might be different, not unlike the whole lockdown concept and numerous other measures that were put into place by power hungry politicians. 

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[sime42]

8 hours ago, Haironyourchest said:

 

Depends what you value. Some things are more important than money, to many people.

 

We (the common people) are all going to get poorer. Actually our undeserved wealth is being realistically revalued, this is an inevitable macro economic adjustment and will happen whichever side is in power.

 

The "Left" side is losing cultural control. They still have a lot of control, in the West, but the momentum of cultural power going "Right" is steady.

 

Culture is more important than money. 

 

 

Yeah, I value some things above money, (providing I have enough to live on). Quite a few things actually.

I've nothing against undeserved wealth being realistically revalued. A lot of stuff is far too cheap nowadays, artificially so. Someone somewhere, and in most cases the planet, is paying the real price. That is unjust. Although, why should we, (the commoners, and the truly poor struggling to put decent food on the table), get poorer to allow the ultra rich few to get even more obscenely rich? That is also unjust. I can't see Trump doing anything else except expediting that process.

Indeed, the momentum of cultural power is steadily going "Right". I for one consider that to be cause for concern rather than celebration. History tells us that the shift won't stop at a convenient point that is mutually beneficial for society and culture. The parallels with previous world events have already been drawn plenty of times on here. Again, Trump is doing nothing but expediting that shift. By propagating and cultivating complete falsehoods and "alternative" facts, whilst suppressing as much expression of counter opinion as possible. All in the name of Free Speech - the irony.