Potus ???

[Johnsond]

9 hours ago, Steven P said:

You're talking to the wrong bloke here, it's the Rapist-fan, JohnsonD

You know SP you are about as low as it’s possible to be. You repeatedly put my name in the same sentence as the word rapist. Post after post you try to create a ****************ing narrative with zero proof, show me once where I’ve said he’s my hero or rape is ok 🤷‍♂️there’s hardly any point in asking you too as history shows you never can. Now you are claiming I’m a rapist fan. You have pushed and pushed this rapist line and now resort to dropping my name in time after time. All done from behind the veil of anonymity Arbtalk offers you. Would you say it to my face if I was stood in front of you I wonder or let your employers see the shite you post in work time ??. 
I’ve read your first post in regards my reply to Peds post and the follow up where you upped the ante several times now, you know you really  are one sick twisted fool. 
See where this takes you SP. 

Edited May 13 by Johnsond

[Haironyourchest]

They're butthurt because their side is losing.

[sime42]

To be fair it's not really about sides, there's so much more at stake with this Potus. However, if it has to be framed within the very narrow, and restrictive viewpoint of sides; then there are no winners amongst the common people, only losers. There's countless MAGA voters who are now worse off than they were 12 months ago. The only winners in any of this are the small number of rich elite, the tech oligarchs and social media barons etc. The very people that the MAGA ideal is meant to target. That's a failure, not a win.

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

I would argue that by cutting illegal immigration all US citizens are now winners from the Trump policy. To let a swarm of monkeys on two legs across is going to add to competition for scarce housing and resources.

Every extra migrant needs additional concrete spewed out in the form of human nests.

US beef prices are surging due to lack of rain in the west causing grazing land to dry up, more people use more water.

 

 

The year with the highest number of illegal immigration encounters at the US southern border was fiscal year 2023 (October 2022 - September 2023). Specifically, that year saw 2,334,470 encounters with people trying to cross without inspection. 

 

 

[GarethM]

54 minutes ago, sime42 said:

To be fair it's not really about sides, there's so much more at stake with this Potus. However, if it has to be framed within the very narrow, and restrictive viewpoint of sides; then there are no winners amongst the common people, only losers. There's countless MAGA voters who are now worse off than they were 12 months ago. The only winners in any of this are the small number of rich elite, the tech oligarchs and social media barons etc. The very people that the MAGA ideal is meant to target. That's a failure, not a win.

Problem is, you trump hating types wouldn't even have been happy if car crash Kamala had won.

 

You all prattle on how this is bad, that is bad, but you'll never be appeased/happy as you seem to all actively want a world order of technocrats where the "betters" tell the huddled freezing masses to shut up, eat coal or cake.

[Steven P]

Go on then, apart from his $2000+ dollar tax hike, errr, tariffs, what has Trump done that is good so far?

[GarethM]

5 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Go on then, apart from his $2000+ dollar tax hike, errr, tariffs, what has Trump done that is good so far?

He could have given everyone a unicorn and you wouldn't be happy, but stopping immigrants was a big plus almost overnight when you decide to police a border and deport and not give reach arounds.

 

Same question what's two tier done that's any good, or Trudie and his new banker lackey or the bible thumper Aussie?.

 

You're all far too idealistic to actually want anything to happen, you just want no change.

No improvement and a world that probably makes Logan's run look tame, probably with more gulags for wrong think and hurty feeling none crimes.

[Steven P]

So immigration into the nation that was built on immigration has dropped, is that the only good thing he has done? All the bluster and huffing he has made and that is all?

 

And a $2000+ tax bomb on all Americans of course.

 

 

 

Ignoring the 'look over there' comments, perhaps they would be better in the 'Labour' thread rather than the one about Trump.

[GarethM]

13 minutes ago, Steven P said:

So immigration into the nation that was built on immigration has dropped, is that the only good thing he has done? All the bluster and huffing he has made and that is all?

 

And a $2000+ tax bomb on all Americans of course.

 

Ignoring the 'look over there' comments, perhaps they would be better in the 'Labour' thread rather than the one about Trump.

Actually that's where you are wrong, you know what the statue of liberty is built above and on an island for steamships to dock ?.

 

All immigrants were checked, documented and they did actually turn some back.

 

As they also checked for typhus and other diseases.

 

You didn't just walk through the border and do as you pleased undocumented.

Edited May 13 by GarethM

[sime42]

1 hour ago, GarethM said:

Problem is, you trump hating types wouldn't even have been happy if car crash Kamala had won.

 

You all prattle on how this is bad, that is bad, but you'll never be appeased/happy as you seem to all actively want a world order of technocrats where the "betters" tell the huddled freezing masses to shut up, eat coal or cake.

 

No.

 

It's got to be said though; at least your surreal obfuscation and distraction is normally amusing. (Those talents are wasted on an arb forum, go into script writing or something.) Much better than the abuse and insult that's thrown out as the only other response in the face of the adversity of trying to defend the untenable position.