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Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, AHPP said:

What yacht does he have?

I don't know. He could afford a better one than me though. 

Edited by Mark J
Posted (edited)

Ah, the hippy idealists of a magical money tree where Americans are expected to cascade their hard earned money to every cause and country around the world.

 

How many hundred million was it to Nigeria before they stopped the USAID.

 

Oh we're starving well start growing food and less baby making instead of replying on charity and that tone deaf Irish muppet that needs his Sir removing.

Edited by GarethM
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Gareth, while the sentiment is good, look out for yourself - which is the American way, unlike the European way of helping all in society. Trumps process for doing so is fundamentally flawed.

 

There is nothing wrong with helping others. There is probably a moral duty in fact if you have a lot to help those with not a lot. The worlds tax systems intentions are this, tax the richest more and that is passed down to the poorest.

 

The US as a nation has a lot, as do a lot of European countries.

 

The richest in the world have been showing the way morally for the last 80 to 100 years now. The rest of the world, rightly or wrongly, have benefitted and indeed rely on this help - pretty sure you have said the same before and know all this. Bear with me though as the point is coming up next.

 

So Trumps process of - without warning and suddenly - turning off the tap is going to lead to millions around the world suffering great hardship, driving them into poverty. It is going to stall the economic development, and democratic development that these funds have helped promote. Not just the odd one or 2 families but millions, and suddenly. In countries where there is great hardship you get great migrations as the populations move onwards to find better lives - humans do it, all the animals do it, a basic need in life to look after your young. So don't whinge here in 12 months time when there are a lot of Nigerians knocking on the door asking for help... and housing within the UK. Similarly from the US southern borders, suddenly turning off the money tap will increase pressure on border crossings. Don't whinge, it is a natural consequence of suddenly turning off that tap.

 

 

But back to the top again, this sudden stop of all aid.... if it was done more slow and in a controlled manner these hardships can be mitigated to some extent. The US can use its power and knowledge to put in infrastructure to help these countries be self sufficient, to reduce their reliance. It hasn't always been done so before, and Trumps first administration was no better than any other in this respect.

 

 

Sure you are going to be able to pull up headlines of odd cases, and sure you are going to ignore all the good works to make a political point, that's what political commenters do well, and why 'fact checking' websites are flourishing - we know the political commenters out to make a point are generally heavily biased - including the press and the linkedin they read.

 

 

But point to take from these few words, the biggest problem is that this assistance stopping suddenly and without warning will cause great hardship. With great hardship will create great migration. Don't whinge at that.

 

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29 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Gareth, while the sentiment is good, look out for yourself - which is the American way, unlike the European way of helping all in society. Trumps process for doing so is fundamentally flawed.

 

There is nothing wrong with helping others. There is probably a moral duty in fact if you have a lot to help those with not a lot. The worlds tax systems intentions are this, tax the richest more and that is passed down to the poorest.

 

The US as a nation has a lot, as do a lot of European countries.

 

The richest in the world have been showing the way morally for the last 80 to 100 years now. The rest of the world, rightly or wrongly, have benefitted and indeed rely on this help - pretty sure you have said the same before and know all this. Bear with me though as the point is coming up next.

 

So Trumps process of - without warning and suddenly - turning off the tap is going to lead to millions around the world suffering great hardship, driving them into poverty. It is going to stall the economic development, and democratic development that these funds have helped promote. Not just the odd one or 2 families but millions, and suddenly. In countries where there is great hardship you get great migrations as the populations move onwards to find better lives - humans do it, all the animals do it, a basic need in life to look after your young. So don't whinge here in 12 months time when there are a lot of Nigerians knocking on the door asking for help... and housing within the UK. Similarly from the US southern borders, suddenly turning off the money tap will increase pressure on border crossings. Don't whinge, it is a natural consequence of suddenly turning off that tap.

 

 

But back to the top again, this sudden stop of all aid.... if it was done more slow and in a controlled manner these hardships can be mitigated to some extent. The US can use its power and knowledge to put in infrastructure to help these countries be self sufficient, to reduce their reliance. It hasn't always been done so before, and Trumps first administration was no better than any other in this respect.

 

 

Sure you are going to be able to pull up headlines of odd cases, and sure you are going to ignore all the good works to make a political point, that's what political commenters do well, and why 'fact checking' websites are flourishing - we know the political commenters out to make a point are generally heavily biased - including the press and the linkedin they read.

 

 

But point to take from these few words, the biggest problem is that this assistance stopping suddenly and without warning will cause great hardship. With great hardship will create great migration. Don't whinge at that.

 

Some length of post that SP

Any chance you can answer the question about what you do for a living 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ maybe two or three words tops 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

 

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54 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Gareth, while the sentiment is good, look out for yourself - which is the American way, unlike the European way of helping all in society. Trumps process for doing so is fundamentally flawed.

 

There is nothing wrong with helping others. There is probably a moral duty in fact if you have a lot to help those with not a lot. The worlds tax systems intentions are this, tax the richest more and that is passed down to the poorest.

 

The US as a nation has a lot, as do a lot of European countries.

 

The richest in the world have been showing the way morally for the last 80 to 100 years now. The rest of the world, rightly or wrongly, have benefitted and indeed rely on this help - pretty sure you have said the same before and know all this. Bear with me though as the point is coming up next.

 

So Trumps process of - without warning and suddenly - turning off the tap is going to lead to millions around the world suffering great hardship, driving them into poverty. It is going to stall the economic development, and democratic development that these funds have helped promote. Not just the odd one or 2 families but millions, and suddenly. In countries where there is great hardship you get great migrations as the populations move onwards to find better lives - humans do it, all the animals do it, a basic need in life to look after your young. So don't whinge here in 12 months time when there are a lot of Nigerians knocking on the door asking for help... and housing within the UK. Similarly from the US southern borders, suddenly turning off the money tap will increase pressure on border crossings. Don't whinge, it is a natural consequence of suddenly turning off that tap.

 

But back to the top again, this sudden stop of all aid.... if it was done more slow and in a controlled manner these hardships can be mitigated to some extent. The US can use its power and knowledge to put in infrastructure to help these countries be self sufficient, to reduce their reliance. It hasn't always been done so before, and Trumps first administration was no better than any other in this respect.

 

Sure you are going to be able to pull up headlines of odd cases, and sure you are going to ignore all the good works to make a political point, that's what political commenters do well, and why 'fact checking' websites are flourishing - we know the political commenters out to make a point are generally heavily biased - including the press and the linkedin they read.

 

But point to take from these few words, the biggest problem is that this assistance stopping suddenly and without warning will cause great hardship. With great hardship will create great migration. Don't whinge at that.

There's a simple version, charity starts at home!.

 

Charity dogooding has become big business and walnut panelled boardrooms, millipedes brother for example.

 

A return to the old ways of disaster relief is fine, but everything else is optional if it's from donations.

 

America and the UK are very similar, we've been at peace for about 100+ years, the Europeans haven't and it's a lesson they will never learn.

Edited by GarethM
Posted
22 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Some length of post that SP

Any chance you can answer the question about what you do for a living 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ maybe two or three words tops 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

 

He should at least have the decency to say ' I don't want to talk about it', rather than just ignoring your question.

After all if you add up all the time he's spent replying to your posts - it's into the hundreds of hours - whole weeks of your lives sharing thoughts with each other. And after all that he still won't engage honestly. 

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