Potus ???

[carlos]

7 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

It’s served me and my kids very well so far. That’s all that matters to me. 

well that's fair enough and good to hear, not so sure about the last bit mind

[Johnsond]

22 minutes ago, sime42 said:

I think you're mixing up correlation with causation again JD. Though I agree that the  explosion of mental health issues for children is a huge problem that needs addressing. Now.

I don't believe that "messed up pandering nonsense is what results in kids suffering from record levels of mental health issues". Not at all. Social Media is the main root cause of that and the mistaken, (in some cases but not all) belief that a young person needs to identify as an alternative gender/sexuality. I'd draw a diagram if I knew how to do it on here. A triangle with three points and two arrows.

Masquerading as a parent doesn't really come into it. If it does it's a very small factor. It could be argued that not pandering could add to the mental anguish actually. After all, you can't pander to a belief that isn't already there. (If there is that belief already then it must have come from something else). I've never heard of any cases of parents actively encouraging their kinder to want to identify as something else just for the sake of it.

Bringing it back to POTUS. His little bunch of tame Social Media barons are the real villains of the piece here. The crap that they're inundating kids with is what's causing the mental health epidemic for them. (Kids are having a rough time if it right now, what with that and the obesity epidemic caused by UPF. They shouldn't have to deal with all this shit at their tender age.) Not to mention all the other harms stemming from Social Media as well. And it's about to get a whole lot worse, just look what Musk and Zuckerberg have been up to in the last few weeks. Who needs fact checking?

You raise yours how you see fit, same to all of the ATL on here, I’ve done it a few times now and have had not the best but imo reasonable results when it comes to protecting, providing for and instilling a decent set of work, social and personal values . 
I certainly don’t need lectures off people who argued with me about subjecting children to totally unnecessary and untested covid jabs not that long ago. 
Social media is a curse in many respects. 
Taking of kids and a rough time, you seem conveniently to have missed out a rather significant event, the only time I have seen any of mine struggling mentally was during those ****************ing Lockdowns you and others supported, I’ve mentioned this before and was slated for it by the normal covid warriors on here. This is one of the main reasons I feel the way I do about that period and why very quickly myself and many others in our local area started to ignore the utter insanity of that period and started to let kids mix and have a half normal life. There’s even one idiot on here still talking shit about the benefits of out of school lockdown style learning. 

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[Johnsond]

2 minutes ago, carlos said:

well that's fair enough and good to hear, not so sure about the last bit mind

I don’t know you or anything about you or you me therefore I don’t care. Your opinion is worthless in regards how ive raised my kids. 

[Spindrift]

[Johnsond]

32 minutes ago, Spindrift said:

Absolutely brilliant 👍👍

[Mark Bolam]

[Johnsond]

22 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

Big hand little hand that’s how I taught my kids. 

Ten to nein 

[GarethM]

3 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Big hand little hand that’s how I taught my kids. 

Ten to nein 

So between 3rd Reich and far right ?

[Johnsond]

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[Youngstu]

7 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Absolute and utter shite full of baseless assumptions, a parent explaining to an impressionable teenager who has been bombarded with this crap that “ I’m sorry but there are only two genders male and female ” ( feel free to prove me wrong on this) is not right wing, angry or intolerant, what they are is a responsible adult explaining the reality of life. Not the left wing cloud cuckoo land shite you seem to believe in, which imo plays a big part in the massive increase in mental health issues with these kids who are pandered too by absolute fools. 

BS first world manufactured problem. 
Have you ever thought whoever it is you are referring to in your family might be right and that it’s actually your view that is contrary to the laws of nature and therefore bollocks. 
It’s not respecting anyone to play along with stupid fantasies, if you identify as x but I know you are z then don’t insult me my expecting me to go along with your bs. 

This might be a long one, so let's start with the first paragraph of your outburst:

Discussing the issues with your child with an open mind to what they have heard or feel could lead to some interesting discussions and the opportunity to express why you feel the way you do without just dismissing what they have heard from elsewhere as "crap".

This particular topic wasn't about this issue being right wing, that's just a massive amount of the other stuff you post on here, and presumably subject your children to,  but your absolute dismissal of these things comes across as angry and is intolerant.

 

There are so many factors influencing young people's mental health and some of the most influential are living up to the expectations of others and feeling that they can't be as good/attractive/strong/clever/successful etc as they feel they should be, whether that's based on the influence of their peers and role models, be they friends, family or others they know of through media etc.

 

Is pandering to them really the reason for the mental health issues, there are a fair few people in society of our generation whose mental health issues are undeniably caused primarily by the dismissal and oppression of those feelings about themselves that weren't "acceptable" at home, or at the time and the experiences that they had because of it, whether it was intollerance, dismissal, humiliation, physical violence or whatever they experienced because of their differences.

 

"BS first world manufactured problem" - You say a lot about all of the places that you've been in the world, so I'd expect you to know that the LGBTQ and trans thing is far from just a 1st world thing!

 

No I don't think that those in my family (and similarly in the familes of others) are right and I'm wrong, I think that they are uninformed and unwilling to see that their viewpoint is outdated and they need to reeducate themselves.  There's that age old response of there weren't all those gays/trans/lesbians etc back then, so why are there now? (normally given as a statement as opposed to a question that they want answering!) The clearest answer in reality is to do with the changes in the law and ways that people can't be discriminated against. When the country was much more homophobic, people who were gay and didn't want to either be beaten up or abused for it, or pretend they were something else would move away to more tolerant areas like Brighton, London or other places where they could be themselves without judgement and with a support network from others who understood and accepted them for being them. Now people can be openly gay/trans etc without the same level of fear that they would have had in the past.

 

It is absolutely about respecting an individual to accept what they believe to be true as being true for them. They may make a decision, go through an assortment of procedures and stick with their decision until they dies, or they may change their mind a few years down the line, the latter bit is why the powers that be have prevented young people from being able to access puberty blockers and undergo surgery until they are older, but if you've ever witnessed the effects of the mental turmoil of a teen who is considered to have body dismorphia and is doing what they can to (often painfully) hide the changes that come about through puberty such as binding etc you may have slightly more sympathy. At the end of the day why do you feel that you have the right to dismiss a person's opinion of themselves and who they are, and are you that hellbent on your own hatred of the idea to refuse to call a stranger, or someone you know by the name that they would like to use, or even the pronoun they wish to use. This final bit is a minefield for people of our generation as it's new and we won't always get it right, but if you approach it without the intention to offend the chances are thay they won't mind and accept that you made an innocent mistake, but if you refuse to do so because you think it's all bollocks it's completely disrespecting that person and the choices that they have made, you may think it, but you really don't need to express it to them.