Steven P

and as for the riots this week, perhaps Johnson, D can ask his workmate what the feelings are in Southport to them? Remembering your pal lived was it 2 streets away from the boy and knew the dance class? something like that - local knowledge that a lot here don't have.

If you look at the videos online here, the actual trouble there was less than 30 people involved. Most of the crowd were there filming with their phones. 1 person has been charged so far with arson (burning the bus) and justice is starting it's process.

I think the term mass casualty event has been mis understood, many of us not actually realising that it is quite a narrow definition. So if we accept that the term is not relevant here and perhaps "rioters hurting a lot of police officers" be better? To me it is an over reaction (massively) to a Christian School boy (Adding in the religion here, it is relevant when using his actions as a catalyst to attack a mosque) who by all accounts was a good quiet boy with few concerns about him going a bit murdery. For the boy, there is more to the story to come out, such as why he picked that group - it wasn't a random walking down the street, sees a dance school and thinks "that'll do".

And where can you show us that it isn't? I forgot to check last night, but who mentioned 2 tier policing first in this? I wonder....

So perhaps the term "mass casualty event " is very specific, how about the phrase "A lot of British Police Officers are being hurt by a lot of British rioters" - will that do? Smoke and mirrors I again. Making the news today and the news today is rioting stoked up by Tommy Robinson (from his nice comfy 5 star Cyprus hotel (where he ran away to avoid being arrested again)). Smoke and mirrors "a lot of (racist) White people rioting but look over there 30 Asians had one the other day too over a local issue... and no police officers were hurt" (actually in Leeds there were a few white lads getting into the action too). The narrative is always the same - White British people doing wrong are barely mentioned on this thread but as soon as anyone approaching middle eastern origin, or date I say it a Muslim then the long copy and paste posts appear. Why would that be?

I didn't know this but apparently all the volcanos in the world combined produce only 1% of the CO2 that humans do - only quoting from the fact checking sites - so I reckon it is still worth doing our bit

So that was another 11 police officers injured last night and the vicar of Sunderland had to stop them ripping up the gravestones to use as missiles. Still want to defend the rioters?

If you can split it you will get more - and a better saw! I was doing a 'car boot full' a couple of years ago for the same at £20 for split softwoods (pine), went very quick - too cheap - for ash probably go £30 to £35 to get rid of it... but adds a hassle... but also most people able to collect will have a car, not everyone will have a van to collect in bulk.

Not from tree climbing but if my feet are off the ground, anything that can fall is tied to me - helmet included (pencils on bits of string, cameras, spanners, everything). Seen plenty of helmets being chased across various sites when the wind picks up too - but I'd make a decision on that on the weather conditions

I have never said that the law is not applied evenly, I'll have to go back through the thread to find out where the idea that we have apparent 2 tier policing came from.

A quick divergence, one for tomorrow for you, ask your workmate what the thoughts are in Southport of the riots happening all over the country. The answer might surprise you....

Mass casualties... how many police officers have been put in hospital this week?

As I mentioned above, it is too early to see if the laws have been applied equally until all the investigations are completed and criminal cases have been tried. I'd expect you can keep us up to date in an unbiased fashion for this? I'd also expect a link to news feeds at length for any non white Christians who get done for rioting and a side note for any others

I don't know the outcome of any court cases from either sets of riots - till we do - and it won't be for a while yet - how can we judge if the law has been applied equally or not? The police system takes a while to gather all the evidence, without that court cases will fail. I suspect that we will find the laws will be applied equally to all. You might know differently of course, I suspect you are just trying to create a divisive argument (again) to further your biased view of the world

Sounds like you are defending them here. What happened to 7 pages back when you were condoning these riots (errr... protests?) 100%... and now almost defending them?

Remember of course that the Leeds rioters were protesting about an issue that was happening in their own community. They weren't attacking the local police about an issue that happened 100 miles away. If you look at the video feeds of the 'riots' you'll notice that the trouble, the rioters, were about 30 to 40 people, the majority of the crowd were wandering about filming everything on their phones. You'd also be noticing the number of women with very young children in the crowds - hardly a scary riot then was it? Following up on this, arrests have been made and the due process is happening. How many flag flying "Englishmen" would you say were 'protesting' this week (when I say protesting, I mean attacking the police with rocks and bricks), was it more or less than the 30 or 40 in Leeds?

You forget that they also burnt their library. Learning, reading, understanding was never a friend of the right and their cheerleaders. Do as we say blindly. The library is a kind of metaphor for that.

So a lot of riots in the name of 3 murdered girls in Southport, hundreds of police officers injured, many hospitalised. I wonder when an "eye for an eye" that they 'eye' becomes so blinded by hatred that any kind of rational thought is abandoned. I wouldn't be surprised if the eye for an eye attitude being displayed results in a police officer being killed. Pure thuggery carried out and supported by the idiots who allow themselves to be blinded by the right wing press, and their cheerleaders Robinson and Farage.

Got to give them the opportunities - they might hate it, it is not for them, they might love it... but you never know till they try

Apparently though, only if the knife crime is committed by the correct tone of skin or religion, that committed by white Christians is often passed by without a mention. Wonder why that is?

I think you'll find I have been very consistent with what I have commented on. The Southport incident and subsequent trouble is an area I am personally invested in, have an interest in, and so feel it is my place to comment. Leeds, Manchester, Cardiff, and so on, I have no personal links to these, it is not my place to comment, I would just be adding to the general background noise if I did but adding nothing to the conversation. I am assuming that you are similar with no strong links to any of the places and yet pick and choose which ones to bring to the forum based on religion or colour of the criminals involved.

It is more what you didn't say that is telling. You mentioned and linked to pieces about the Leeds riots (the Roma population), not a peep about Southport, London or Hartlepool this week (White British people), stabbing in Kent (by a Black man), not a peep about the Welsh school girl who went a bit stabby (a white girl). The links and posts you comment on are all following your agenda that 'Jolly foreigner' is bad, White British is good. Even better if jolly foreigner is also not Christian. Not what you say, what you don't say. Why is that?

So... In Leeds the Police were attacked by the Roma community doing their jobs. In Southport the Police were attacked doing their jobs. You are outraged by the attack on the police in Leeds, but not Southport. Why is that?

Ahh so in 3 posts, the members have gone from discussing an evolving tragedy to bashing the jolly foreigner. Why would that be? Almost as if any opportunity there is to have a go, one of you does.... why would that be? Yes, walking distance of Banks, snap, I did once, a right bastion of seething Muslim hatred that place (must be where that army of "Fighting age young men" are living... or about 100 out of 4000 people are 'not white'). Banks is a commuter town on the outskirts of one of the nicest towns around Liverpool, it has a farming community, it is a nice place. It is not where religious hatred festers. Southport - where the stabbing happened is a nice town - even the rough parts would be considered posh in some of the neighbouring towns. Rumour mongering leads us to the scenes we saw last night where 50 police officers were injured in an effort to extract some sort of vengeance against a mosque, and again tonight in London and weirdly Hartlepool. We'll expect the same police officers tomorrow to go out house to house enquiry's to gather evidence of what happened. Even the Telegraph whose partial reason for existing these days is to enable the far right are at great pains to “ urge people not to speculate on details of the incident while the investigation is ongoing.”... from the Telegraph who I'd suspect would also support sinking asylum seekers in the channel, they are that chilled with everything. There is more to this story, I'd expect that the lads lawyers will use "Terrorism" as a reason if it gets a lighter sentence or better jail conditions, but this was nothing to do with race or religion and to be honest those who try to make political gains from it deserve nothing from this country.

Yup, ask the neighbour to remove the tree as soon as they can or ask if you can do so. Might need digging out or checking every so often that it hasn't started growing back again. Not sure if the little tree would have caused that crack, might be another cause to investigate.