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A lot of people are saying that the Manchester bombing is a revenge attack for Britain's involvement in the Middle East. However extremist Islam would find an excuse to attack us no matter what we did in the Middle East. Did the 26 Christians in Egypt killed in Egypt this morning have anything to do with Middle East diplomacy? People in the West have got to start waking up.

You don't seem to understand that we are at war.... Islamic State have declared war on Britain. Anyone that has fought for IS in Syria etc should be locked up. It's quite frankly bizarre that they haven't been locked up already. Politicians can talk about "love being stronger than hate" all they want. However "love" is no defence against a nail bomb.

How do you know he was? Do you work for MI5 as well as being a tree surgeon? The media have been lying to us about terrorism. IMHO this seems like a lie as well.

I'm not sure which "group" you are referring to. If the "group" is Muslims in general I 100% agree with you. However if the "group" is the 3,000 extremist Muslims we should judge them on the actions of the Manchester bomber. We don't know when the next one will commit a terrorist attack. The rights of people not to get killed are more important than the rights of people that hate us. Best lock them all up, better safe than sorry.

Skyhuck, I've been thinking. What has the native British population put up with from Islam? Multiple terrorist attacks. Mass sexual abuse. Not following British customs. Constant calls to respect their beliefs. Being expected to pay tax so they can claim benefits. Tolerance really seems to be a one way street...

Why don't you ask Sikhs, Hindus and Jews what they think of Islam? The reality is whenever you get Muslims and non Muslims in a country the Muslims start attacking the non Muslims. If you get a 100% Muslim country they then start fighting amongst themselves. There's a difference between people dying in accidents and people deliberately killing others. Without cars we couldn't get to work/ drive to friends/ drive to the shops etc. We need cars to lead a modern life, it's unfortunate that we have accidents. However the positives of cars outweigh the negatives. There is absolutely no benefit to having extremist Islam in the West. We should do everything we can to eradicate it from the West.

Just think about it. Ten (?) kids have been killed, dozens of kids injured, hundreds of kids have seen horrificic sights. Muslim complains about his daughter being called a "terrorist". Getting called a name is hardly comparable to being injured in a terrorist attack. There will have been people in the audience with family and friends injured in the attack. If ever there has been a time for the Muslim community to shut up about islamaphobia this is it.

I was watching Question Time last night. It came from Manchester. There was a Muslim man complaining about his daughter getting called a terrorist at school. 22 people dead - about half of them kids/teens. Thousands of kids traumatised by seeing other kids blown up. However Muslim's complain about "Islamaphobia".

So? What's your point? One day terrorist appologists are telling us Islamic State kill more muslims than anyone else. Then when the yanks bomb IS terrorist apologists complain because some muslims die. What do you want western military's to do? If they do nothing you will complain that they are doing nothing about IS. If they bomb IS you will complain about collateral damage - which will always happen. Anyway, the likes of Sweden hadn't bombed anyone. They still get terrorist attacks. Germany hasn't bombed anyone, they still get terrorist attacks. Yazidis haven't bombed anyone, they still get burnt alive in cages. Rough Hewn, Islamist extremists absolutedly loathe you and your family. The only thing that will make them like you is if you follow their brand of Islam.

Honestly, if you don't know why killing 8 year old kids is worse than killing adults you've got something wrong with you. I just remembered you're one of those people that gets a buzz from calling people who criticise muslims as "racist"....

There are about 50 islamic countries in the world. About 5 of them are failed states ie Syria, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen. Other islamic countries are close to being failed states ie Pakistan. The best Islamic country is probably Turkey, and that's in the process of turning into an Islamic dictatorship. Wherever you get a large population of muslims in western country it's a rubbish area ie Bradford, Tower Hamlets, Molenbeek, Brussels & Malmo. There just seems to be something in Islam that is incompatible with a modern wealthy society. We all know many Muslims are decent people, but a large influx of muslims just seems to destroy.

Extremist Islam has declared war on us. Yet people here are concerned about prison conditions for extremists? If it wasn't so serious it would be funny. This week a suicide bomber targeted a concert attended by children. Think about that before you spout nonsense about prison conditions.

you really think building prison places is an insurmountable problem? We could build them in the UK or build a prison in some poor country somewhere.

This is a petition that some of you might like to sign. "Imprison or Deport the 3000 on the terrorist watchlist" "Our countries Security level is at an all time high of "CRITICAL" And troops are being deployed due to the threat of terrorism. Our security agencies currently have 3000 suspected terrorists under watch & costing taxpayers millions of pounds per year. Our security organisations are overstretched & unable to stop these already "KNOWN" Terrorists who are attacking & killing our people, including children. Put them in confinement or deport them to save lives & ease pressure on our security services. If a new law needs to be made to do this, Then it should be made. If you can make laws to convict people & imprison them for up to 10 years for using a Kodi box, Then the least you can do is change the law for peoples safety." https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-imprison-or-deport-the-3000-on-the-terrorist-watchlist?source_location=minibar

Well half the time you are on this forum making excuses for Islamic State...

Islamic State have a magazine called Dabiq. In issue 15 they had an article entitled 'Why We Hate you and Want to Fight You'..... Ok, I can sympathise with their reasons 4,5 & 6. However how many billions have we given in aid to Muslim countries? How many million Muslim refugees have we accepted? Anyway, over the centuries it's generally Islam that has attacked the West... Looking at their reasons doesn't give me much hope we could ever have a diplomatic peace with them.... 'Why We Hate you and Want to Fight You' 1. Because you are disbelievers "We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices." 2 . Because you are liberal "We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited while banning many of the things He has permitted, a matter that doesn’t concern you because you Christian disbelief and paganism 32 separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power." 3. Because some of you are atheist "In the case of the atheist fringe, we hate you and wage war against you because you disbelieve in the existence of your Lord and Creator." 4. For your crimes against Islam "We hate you for your crimes against Islam and wage war against you to punish you for your transgressions against our religion." 5. For your crimes against Muslims "We hate you for your crimes against the Muslims; your drones and fighter jets bomb, kill, and maim our people around the world, and your puppets in the usurped lands of the Muslims oppress, torture, and wage war against anyone who calls to the truth." 6. For invading our lands "We hate you for invading our lands and fight you to repel you and drive you out. As long as there is an inch of territory left for us to reclaim, jihad will continue to be a personal obligation on every single Muslim."

22 dead at Manchester, 70 injured, thousands of kids traumatised. There has to come a point where we all acknowledge that the problem is within Islam.

Skyhuck, Mick Dempsey "owned" you with that response...

So the main causes of terrorism are: 1. Tory cut backs. 2. Government foreign policy. 3. "intervention" Are you maybe missing the main cause? It starts with an I..... I agree with that. However we all know the main cause... I'd imagine the Manchester bomber read this in the Koran... 'Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,' The RAF has bombed IS in Syria. Extremists think that's justification for killing Brits.

To solve a problem you firstly have to recognise what the problem is. If you think the underlying problem of Islamist terrorism is Tory cutbacks it quite clearly shows that you are delusional. Thanks anyway, I'm sure most people reading our exchange will be thinking you're naïve and I'm smart.

Ohh Sorry. Islamist attacks Manchester Arena and kill 22. Newspaper headline in Mark J's world: "Tory cutbacks kill 22 at concert".

The far right have been warning about Islam for decades... Maybe it's about time we listened to them.... But no, you'd rather call them "racist".

I think the problem you have is that you've been viciously defending Islam for the last decades. You've shouted down anyone that criticised Islam as "racist" and a "Nazi". After the Manchester bombing you now feel guilty that you've been defending people that blow up kids. To make you feel better you want to blame the police for the attack and not the people you've been standing up for. The thing that you should be blaming for the Manchester bombing is Islam.

So what? Cliff Richard was born in India... I wouldn't describe him as Indian....

So you're saying that it's the UK security services that planted the bomb? How about all the dozens of other attacks as well? Were they done by security services as well? I think the problem many people have is that they've spent the last decades attacking the "right wing" for being "racist". It now turns out the right wing have been right all along.... It must be hard to accept that you've been wrong for so long and been defending some evil ideologies... I remember seeing a film about the aftermath of WW2. It showed German civilians being shown around a concentration camp. The civilians were laughing as they walked in, when they walked out they were visible distraught and crying. I think Manchester has been a similar "light bulb" moment for many people.