GarethM

No, no, no. It's not shitetalk, it arbarisings. A free space to put all options & opinions through the discussion shredder and hopefully come out with a homogeneous and rich pile of steaming compost. No horse manure allowed

Think the general idea was let's have a strike and turn the NHS into a dumpster fire

Not taking any moral high ground, you could even argue we bombed ourselves as we ran it like India for a while. You can't compare Russia & Ukraine. The Russians abandoned it after the fall of the wall, you can't just say we called dibs in 1989.

Well we dropped a lot of our to not find theirs.

What I work for is largely irrelevant, I've earned more than band 6 and I've earned considerably less than band 1 throughout my different jobs. Just jumping on the pay them more bandwagon helps nobody. If anything it's utterly disingenuous to not even look at the pay scales with a little nuance, and you then still shout lets chuck a ton more money at everyone who could be on upto 110k and that's before antisocial or overtime!. So where is the limit to the weekly pay £500, £750, £1000, £1500 or £2000 ?. Sod it lets pay everyone in the NHS 55k, you'll soon wonder why petrol is £50 a litre and a loaf of bread requires a Zimbabwe style wheelbarrow of notes. After the nurses we will then have paramedics, ambulance staff, drs, highways, train drivers, prison staff, police, firemen, teachers again and then a spineless labour government and a big empty hole of money. If that's what you want fine, but those of us who have seen this bs before know that's what the union paymasters are drooling for.

Mostly a very expensive agricultural restoration project. More building works, fencing and fending back 30 years of decline.

And at the same time we pay the army next to nothing and see much worse and then get kicked to the curb when they leave.

1st year as my own business.

Less than 25k that's for sure as a self employed sole trader. Electrical engineering, farmer and firewood processing.

But I'm only doing it out of the goodness of my heart for the 1k

Yeap, tony and his double school standards. Let's create a nation of media study graduates!

You can't give then a 10k lump sum it's just impractical. Target it by all means at the lowest paid, maybe move them up one pay grade as a simple solution. But pick a salary level where it ceases, as why should a GP on 100k get 10k etc.

Probably safer than zinc water tanks 🙂

Problem is for nurses the basic requirement is a degree as a minimum, which is stupid. That was about 10 years ago, no degree no training. They can't even employ ex military nurses as they don't hold a recognizable qualification.

Then it's the drs, trains, road workers and the list goes on.

But where are you going to draw the pay rise line tho?.

Will hunter be taking him out for a night on the tiles ?.

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Bloody perv 😉

Atleast in 1970s we didn't have cringe tiktok dancing, men were men and sheep were scared.

I call bs about the negotiation, the RCN have gone political. If they stuck to a simple solution like I said they might have had to strike but it would be a easy to defend and easy to get the public on side. If your on 50k before the extras, nope sorry jog on.

Well the union needs to pull it's fingers out and actually stick to a coherent argument, if I was the government and they wanted 19% for everyone, I'd tell them to sling their hook aswell. Hell, even 10% for everyone is ridiculous.

And don't forget the NHS pensions, public service workers get a bloody good pension Vs the private sector. Private sector might get more pay but get shafted on pensions now.

But you can't give all bands a pay rise tho, which is what they are demanding!. If the union said 1-4 get a raise that's fine, but grade 5 is upto 33k before any overtime and antisocial extras.

Maybe saying "Man" up would be going too far ?.